FOSS gamedev and creative worlds

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 19:55

Will Minetest ever come to iOS? I have no qualms about using Freeworld or any other Minetest clone. I just want something official, yknow?

by **rubenwardy** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 23:04

Apple isn't very supportive of FOSS.

It is $100 or £100 a year for a dev licence.

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 14:46

Well then how did games like Freeworld come out? And also, I don't think its just 100. You have to pay like fifty bux for the software. Who wants to do THAT, right?

by **sfan5** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 15:27

Xcode is free, the license to publish to the App Store costs $99/year

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 20:00

>whistles< Thanks for restrictions, Apple.

by **Inocudom** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 21:15

SAMIAMNOT wrote:>whistles< Thanks for restrictions, Apple.

...And they are very, very proud of them too, as their glass cube with the bitten apple inside it shows quite blatantly:

Remember this the next time you buy something from them.

by **Wuzzy** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 00:48

Will Minetest come to iOS?

Short answer: No.

Longer answer:
Forget it! Knowing Apple’s track record and knowing some past similar cases, it is extremely unlikely that Minetest will come to iOS.
Minetest is licensed under the GPLv2+. But the terms of service of Apple’s App Store are inherently incompatible with this license, because it imposes legal restrictions. Either Minetest would have to toss away its license, or Apple has to toss away their restrictions.

Here is an old case:

An iPhone port of GNU Go is currently being distributed through Apple's App Store. However, this distribution is not in compliance with the GNU GPL. The primary problem is that Apple imposes numerous legal restrictions on use and distribution of GNU Go through the iTunes Store Terms of Service, which is forbidden by section 6 of GPLv2. So today we have written to Apple and asked them to come into compliance. We would be happy to see Apple distribute these programs under the GPL's terms, but unfortunately, it seems much more likely that they'll simply make the problem go away by removing GNU Go from the App Store.

(Unfortunately, instead of amending their terms of service to work with the GNU GPL, Apple have decided to remove GNU Go from the App Store. Please read our follow up report)

(Source)

Besides GNU Go, another software was pulled from the app store was VLC Media Player, which is perhaps a more popular example. (In other news)

Apple’s policy seems to be, either you obey our terms of service (which clash with the GPLv2+), or your app gets thrown out. Simple as that.

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 01:25

Inocudom wrote:
SAMIAMNOT wrote:>whistles< Thanks for restrictions, Apple.

...And they are very, very proud of them too, as their glass cube with the bitten apple inside it shows quite blatantly:

Remember this the next time you buy something from them.

Actually, I am a very big Apple fan. I just dont like to see restrictions like this chain people down. With the lift of a finger they can remove any old app from the store. Sure that comes in handy when there was that app where you could buy a digital gem for a few thousand dollars while Burn Money thrives in the Play Store. But sriously! Software makers should be able to retain their liscence.
I just thought "couldnt you just post a download link to the iOS version?" but I think 1) It might not run on the latest iOS 2) you will probably still have to pay to download the Xcode software.

by **stormchaser3000** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 15:38

another problem ios doesn't allow you to download files by default (at least from what i know)

EDIT: unless you use the app store

by **Inocudom** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 15:43

stormchaser3000 wrote:another problem ios doesn't allow you to download files by default (at least from what i know)

EDIT: unless you use the app store

I will never, never, never buy anything from Apple ever, ever, ever again. That is so wrong on so many levels, but that's the whole point of this world's system, right?

by **sfan5** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 17:05

SAMIAMNOT wrote:[...] 2) you will probably still have to pay to download the Xcode software.

If you would have read my last post, you would have known that Xcode is free.

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 01:51

Hmmm. You all raise valid points. But Apple makes better hardware than anyone else, you gotta admit. A brand new Windows 8 PC bit the dust abruptly after THREE MONTHS!!! Investigation proved it was a faulty air filter that allowed a dust particle to touch the head. SERIOUSLY. Meanwhile our first Mac, a 2008 MacBook only died when I accidentaly poured orange juice on it.
Also, is it generally frowned upon to get one of those clones?

by **rubenwardy** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 05:21

Microsoft doesn't make PCs, at least not at the moment. What manufacturer did you buy from? That's what you should compare. I've had a Compaq since 2007, which came with w7, and it still works fine.

by **addi** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 06:27

SAMIAMNOT wrote: But Apple makes better hardware than anyone else, you gotta admit.

uhm thats only partial right, I dont know where the Hardware for the (PC? -> i mean that wich is standing in a room, wich does not have an akku (dont know how apple does it cales)) comes from, but for the tablets and the phones, the hardware manufacturer is Samsung, not apple!

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:33

Ruben: We got an ASUS laptop from Best Buy.
Addi: I do believe the quality of any brand of tblets is great. In fact I was telling my mom she should get a cheap tablet since they also never fail. Unless its your fault...;)
I guess hardware issues are only a case-by-case basis. Loke Bendgate was.

by **stormchaser3000** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 16:33

rubenwardy wrote:Microsoft doesn't make PCs, at least not at the moment. What manufacturer did you buy from? That's what you should compare. I've had a Compaq since 2007, which came with w7, and it still works fine.

that would be incorrect. microsoft makes the surface pro (pc tablet or what exer the crap you call it)

by **rubenwardy** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 17:59

I am counting that as a tablet. No one bought one, anyway, except the schools thar were scammed to buy it. :P

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 02:47

Yeah, every body knows the Surface is a tablet. Duh!

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 20:25

Hey, it looks like Mozilla is creating an OS that will be even opener than Android!
http://9to5mac.com/2014/11/10/mozilla-f ... d-vs-open/
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS

by **philipbenr** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 00:43

Older news. It is to be sold on bright blue and orange phones, so you can't miss it.

Also, it is more open, not opener. English is weird...

by **SAMIAMNOT** » Wed Nov 12, 2014 04:16

;) I know, Phil. Though opener is actually a word.

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