FOSS gamedev and creative worlds

by **RAPHAEL** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 23:10

I think server admins should have a config setting to disable free move if they so desire. Free move makes the game too easy. It also makes doors walls and other defenses useless.

by **lord_james** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 22:44

I think this feature (also fast move and teleport) must be regulate in the default's script.

This lua file should set basic rules in minetest games:
-Basic nodes for world
-basic features
-rules for world generation

(It's a opinion)

by **bgsmithjr** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 00:09

by **Jordach** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 08:29

RAPHAEL wrote:I think server admins should have a config setting to disable free move if they so desire. Free move makes the game too easy. It also makes doors walls and other defenses useless.

is your house covered in Lava, try and avoid damAge now.

by **RabbiBob** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:42

Indirectly this matter is what prompted my [Mod Request] Elevator or Vertical Air Movement last night. If that existed, players could have limited vertical movement within the confines of the game structure.

by **RAPHAEL** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 13:11

Jordach wrote:
RAPHAEL wrote:I think server admins should have a config setting to disable free move if they so desire. Free move makes the game too easy. It also makes doors walls and other defenses useless.

is your house covered in Lava, try and avoid damAge now.

Simple but time consuming lol. Of course only such would happen via griefer,

by **jordan4ibanez** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 13:41

i can only think of 1000 ways it would be bad if a server controlled the player movement

by **RAPHAEL** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 15:06

jordan4ibanez wrote:i can only think of 1000 ways it would be bad if a server controlled the player movement

I can think of "1000" ways it would be bad for uncontrolled movement on a server lol. Nobody is asking for free move to be disabled by default. They are asking that server operators/admins have a CHOICE to disable on their servers if they desire. I think such a choice is needed.

by **Death Dealer** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 15:12

i got a version from xyz that has it disabled completely me and jordach play with it all the time.

by **Jordach** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 15:45

Death Dealer wrote:i got a version from xyz that has it disabled completely me and jordach play with it all the time.

Yep. :D

However creative stuff is way way way way way harder to do, like pixel art.

by **Death Dealer** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 15:46

Jordach wrote:
Death Dealer wrote:i got a version from xyz that has it disabled completely me and jordach play with it all the time.

Yep. :D

However creative stuff is way way way way way harder to do, like pixel art.

LOL or huge trees:D

by **randomproof** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 22:13

Death Dealer wrote:i got a version from xyz that has it disabled completely me and jordach play with it all the time.

All that is disabled is in your client there is no button to turn free_move on and off. When you move in the game what is happening is that your client sends to the server your x-y-z coords and the server simply accepts it. To turn off this functionality would require the sever to check if you could normally move from your player's last position to the one your client is sending in the time delta. This would likely add a huge cpu load to the server.

FYI Games like Team Fortress and Counter Strike use other techniques such as verifying your client's executable checksum to make sure your client hasn't been altered.

by **Jordach** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 22:22

randomproof wrote:
Death Dealer wrote:i got a version from xyz that has it disabled completely me and jordach play with it all the time.

All that is disabled is in your client there is no button to turn free_move on and off. When you move in the game what is happening is that your client sends to the server your x-y-z coords and the server simply accepts it. To turn off this functionality would require the sever to check if you could normally move from your player's last position to the one your client is sending in the time delta. This would likely add a huge cpu load to the server.

FYI Games like Team Fortress and Counter Strike use other techniques such as verifying your client's executable checksum to make sure your client hasn't been altered.

correct.

by **jordan4ibanez** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 22:26

randomproof wrote:
Death Dealer wrote:i got a version from xyz that has it disabled completely me and jordach play with it all the time.

All that is disabled is in your client there is no button to turn free_move on and off. When you move in the game what is happening is that your client sends to the server your x-y-z coords and the server simply accepts it. To turn off this functionality would require the sever to check if you could normally move from your player's last position to the one your client is sending in the time delta. This would likely add a huge cpu load to the server.

FYI Games like Team Fortress and Counter Strike use other techniques such as verifying your client's executable checksum to make sure your client hasn't been altered.

verify checksum the for game? smart

by **Jordach** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 22:39

it is unless specified by Server.

by **Temperest** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 22:41

Of course this wouldn't work for Minetest (recompile from source after removing check) so we still need server side checking of coords. I am pretty sure Minecraft does it IIRC, and it doesn't seem to place too great of a strain on the server...

by **randomproof** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 22:54

Temperest wrote:... I am pretty sure Minecraft does it IIRC, and it doesn't seem to place too great of a strain on the server...

Really, I didn't realize that the source for MineCraft was released.

by **jordan4ibanez** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 23:56

randomproof wrote:
Temperest wrote:... I am pretty sure Minecraft does it IIRC, and it doesn't seem to place too great of a strain on the server...

Really, I didn't realize that the source for MineCraft was released.

it was...a while ago lol

by **Temperest** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 00:27

randomproof wrote:
Temperest wrote:... I am pretty sure Minecraft does it IIRC, and it doesn't seem to place too great of a strain on the server...

Really, I didn't realize that the source for MineCraft was released.

You'll notice that during intense lag, the server will move you back to its last known location if you do something like fall off of an unloaded chunk, or if you move during lag and the movement is not sent to the server for some reason. It's a totally effective flying prevention method.

by **sfan5** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 14:59

Compile the latest Github!
It's in!

by **SelfishCar** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 15:15

+1

Wow. A lot of +1's! Haha...

by **Temperest** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 15:43

And leaf decay too![/offtopic]

by **neko259** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 18:00

Yeah, I've noticed that. Thank you, celeron55.

by **RAPHAEL** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 18:23

sfan5 wrote:Compile the latest Github!
It's in!

How to enable or disable?

by **neko259** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 19:21

RAPHAEL wrote:
sfan5 wrote:Compile the latest Github!
It's in!

How to enable or disable?

Give or revoke privileges.

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