Redcrab's server

[stormchaser3000]

hmmm i have put this on the forum before but when i requested my email it sent and i never got the email i sent the mail to stormchaser300060@yahoo.com and i never got it yes the email is stormchaser300060@yahoo.com

[Josh]

We need oOChainLynxOo to get back on Redcrab's server again, I miss him.

[Inocudom]

We need oOChainLynxOo to get back on Redcrab's server again, I miss him.

Yes, it has been a while. He must be a lot busier these days.

This month has been negative on so many levels.

[cactuz_pl]

hmmm i have put this on the forum before but when i requested my email it sent and i never got the email i sent the mail to stormchaser300060@yahoo.com and i never got it yes the email is stormchaser300060@yahoo.com

What is your in-game name?

[rubenwardy]

Has the map been cropped yet?

[cactuz_pl]

Has the map been cropped yet?

Is this what you mean?
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=118073#p118073

[rubenwardy]

No, as in has all blocks that are further out than 6000 been deleted.

[cactuz_pl]

We are not able to do such things without redcrab. Removing lower parts of world will help? How? (I'm not in the topic, sorry)

[oOChainLynxOo]

We need oOChainLynxOo to get back on Redcrab's server again, I miss him.

Yes, it has been a while. He must be a lot busier these days.

This month has been negative on so many levels.

Surprise! I'm back! :D


I call it, "Lava... Or Water?"

[Sokomine]

Removing lower parts of world will help? How?

It would only help if disk space on the machine where the server runs is extremly short. I don't think we have to worry about it. Deleting part of the map might be intresting in order to force it to generate anew with new mods installed - which is not very likely to happen.

I'll try to see in how far Redcrabs world can run with newer versions of mods (minetest_game, moreblocks etc.), but without Redcrab, there's no way of updating anyway.

[rubenwardy]

Not just lower, anywhere past +-6000 on x/y/z.

If anyone builds past the map, then they obviously do not want their building to be seen.

[eurito100]

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL THOSE MINETEST PLAYERS AND ESPECIALLY TO THE RECRAB SERVER PLAYER!!!!!!!

[rubenwardy]

I thought thanks giving was in July?

Happy thanks giving then!

[Evergreen]

I thought thanks giving was in July?

Happy thanks giving then!

In america, it's in November.

[cactuz_pl]

It was strange for me as well, a little bit of Wikipedia and everthing is clear.

4th July - Independence Day (United States)
28th November - Thanksgiving (United States)

[GingerHunter797]

Is the server down? I cant seem to connect...

[rubenwardy]

I thought thanks giving was in July?

Happy thanks giving then!

In america, it's in November.

Is it in other places than america? I thought it was an American tradition.

[cactuz_pl]

Is it in other places than america? I thought it was an American tradition.

Same name, but different reasons, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_day

[miner65536]

we need to commission some turkey pixel art on redcrab to celebrate, also need some new cranberry coloured wool ;)

[i love minetest]

can I please help my name I in game name is George

[cactuz_pl]

can I please help my name I in game name is George

How can I help you?

Btw. There is no such player. Looks like you didn't even log on this server.

[Erthome]

Just for fun and to learn a bit more about our platform, I've taken the sqllite world file as recorded using SFan's recorder client, through the efforts of Sokomine and Aspiremint (and others?) and set it up as a multiuser game world, under 0.4.6...The world is live on the net, as a simple proof of concept, that in a clutch we could salvage an abandoned server, so long as someone has made a point to do such backups...I'm not opening it up for visitors, as the server is hardly powerful enough to make a good showing even if it was needed or appropriate, and everyone can already make use of the single -user versions as mentioned by Soko ,and appropriate...but it is nice to know that it is doable in a clutch :-)

This necessitated using a new admin account/user, then assigning new passwords via that account to oneself and presumably any other players who wanted their accounts reactivated on a new platform...I notice that signs and chests are still owned by the in force accounts, but I am guessing that protections would need to be redone from a global /list_areas list...As Soko pointed out above the Travelnets would need to be salvaged or redone as well.

What this brings me to wonder, is should we make a formal effort to periodically record? Should folks regularly record their new construction (and any previously undetected stuff they'd like to insure a bit) and would it be feasible to merge these separate files in any semi-automated way on a regular basis?

Just food for thought, but if it seems like a good idea I would be happy to offer hosting space for a drop box repository for recorded bits, and maybe a simple dedicated wiki where folks could document/showcase their creations in a sort of Atlas manner, perhaps annotating a clickable map (like a platt book).

I don't want to make extra/unvaluable work for anyone, nor be needlessly redundant with the efforts of others already in motion...so, again, really just tossing ideas out there and offering space.

[Sokomine]

I notice that signs and chests are still owned by the in force accounts, but I am guessing that protections would need to be redone from a global /list_areas list...As Soko pointed out above the Travelnets would need to be salvaged or redone as well.

That's right. Chests and their content are saved as part of the map. The protection system and the travelnets use additional savefiles to store the information they require, and that information is not transmitted along with the mapdata. In theory, my travelnet mod could be changed so that it recreates networks whenever an unknown station shows up, but that would be some work and is not really necessary now (in singleplayer, travelling around is pretty fast).

What this brings me to wonder, is should we make a formal effort to periodically record? Should folks regularly record their new construction (and any previously undetected stuff they'd like to insure a bit)

I'd like to encourage people to record what they like. It allows to explore server maps in singleplayer with the far faster loading mapdata from their local storage, and it is a useful precaution against loss. It may not be necessary for Redcrabs server - apart from Redcrab's absence, the server has run for a long time and is stil running - so get places protected and it might be just fine. But precaution can't hurt.

It's worse with some...smaller servers out there which are run by less experienced server owners/admins. Quite often these worlds disappear or restart with a new map. If you've built anything on a server you don't absolutely trust the admins to have backups at hands and to be there tomorrow, by all means make a local copy of your buildings and everything else you want to preserve. Plus it might not hurt to check which mods are installed and to download and store the versions used in time. Getting them later is sometimes difficult.

would it be feasible to merge these separate files in any semi-automated way on a regular basis?

Merging of areas that are only part of one saved map and not of the other one would be pretty easy. The main problem is that there's afaik no reliable way to find out which mapblock is newer.

dedicated wiki where folks could document/showcase their creations in a sort of Atlas manner, perhaps annotating a clickable map (like a platt book)

There used to be a "tourist's guide to redcrabs server" somewhere that did that to some degree. I don't know if it's still up. It may be pretty outdated. Perhaps a new verion/update might be a good idea?

[Erthome]

Or a Tourists Guide to Minetest Servers in general...that might make a nice 'sticky' here in the forum, although a structured thing like what I see happening here on the Forum with the Mod inventory would be even better. If there was an interest/need I'd be happy to set up and host YetAnotherWiki but there are already so many places with good content I hate to add another URL for the community to remember...really hard on newcomers in particular...

[Erthome]

Perhaps the save files could include the initial save date and connection URL [including port] in the file name? @SFAN, is that reasonable/doable? That would still be no guarantee, BUT it might help significantly with sorting things out, especially if folks start saving from various worlds...

[EDIT] Perhaps 'date' not such a good idea since that would mean that multiple visits to same site would produce more files...How does that work now? If I return to a server does it overwrite the save file or append it?

[Sokomine]

Perhaps the save files could include the initial save date and connection URL [including port] in the file name?

That (address/ip plus port as part of the file name) would save a lot of trouble since there would be less care required not to accidently mix worlds. I'd also appreciate it very much if this code could be merged into the main game.

If I return to a server does it overwrite the save file or append it?

It's extended. If you visit a mapblock you havn't been to before, it's added. If you revisit one, the old data of that mapblock is recplaced with the current one.

[Erthome]

@SFan do you see any technical road blocks there? Is it feasible to grab the IP and port and use it as the save file name?

@coreDevelopers any reasons you can think of why the recorder feature could/ought not be incorporated into the game? (apart from the need to agree on how to offer the option to the user in an interface)

@serverOperators anyone have a gripe with making said feature generally accessible instead of unofficially available?

@all, pros/cons?

As I understand it (but please correct me if I'm mistaken) the added load is only on the client side, hence, if the feature is off by default it would be zero-sum-gain, and when the user employs the feature it becomes a conscious/desired tradeoff to grab things for offline viewing...

Are there servers where this feature would cause Intellectual Property concerns?

[Inocudom]

@SFan do you see any technical road blocks there? Is it feasible to grab the IP and port and use it as the save file name?

@coreDevelopers any reasons you can think of why the recorder feature could/ought not be incorporated into the game? (apart from the need to agree on how to offer the option to the user in an interface)

@serverOperators anyone have a gripe with making said feature generally accessible instead of unofficially available?

@all, pros/cons?

As I understand it (but please correct me if I'm mistaken) the added load is only on the client side, hence, if the feature is off by default it would be zero-sum-gain, and when the user employs the feature it becomes a conscious/desired tradeoff to grab things for offline viewing...

Are there servers where this feature would cause Intellectual Property concerns?

As a thought, a server could determine if it will allow the feature to be used on it or not.

[Sokomine]

Are there servers where this feature would cause Intellectual Property concerns?

Intresting question. I think that as long as it's for personal use only (i.e. the player runs the world in singleplayer for himshelf), there's no problem. As servers/maps have no liscence (unless done by a single person or specificly provided for download), the usual permissive liscences do not apply.

[miner65536]

Hi All
The map generation message seems to suggest that the north part of the map was updated, but the 'north' png hasn't been updating. Is this a problem with the map-gen?

cheers,
Rob.