[Mod] Snow Biomes [3.2] [snow]

[Sokomine]

In a smaller way perhaps. The moretree-trees are huge :-) And the snow does not pile up under trees. Some smaller moretree-trees would be great for that biome as well. I'd be glad if the trunk could be replaced.

[Inocudom]

In a smaller way perhaps. The moretree-trees are huge :-) And the snow does not pile up under trees. Some smaller moretree-trees would be great for that biome as well. I'd be glad if the trunk could be replaced.

I was thinking that the fir and spruce trees can appear in some of the more forested snow biomes. I am confident that Splizard can find a way to get snow to appear under them. Perhaps snow can be made to spread out? Moretrees is a very nice mod and I would like to see it put to good use. I don't wish to see its potential wasted.

The trunk nodes of the spruce trees would be perfect for the small trees that come with the snow mod.

[Splizard]

What wasn't quite well? Performance?

No just some obscure bug I can't quite remember what it was -.-

@Incudom and Sokomine
When a moretrees tree grows there will still be snow underneath, IMO having default trunks for pine trees gives a more "default" feel to snow mod. People can always get a mod such as moretrees which then could be compatible with snow mod *Pokes VanessaE* :)

At which point I guess you could remove trees from your mod since mine will be faster. ;-)

Could the pine trees from snow mod be made with L-systems? I have had a quick look at the concept but didn't quite understand it.
If so I would like to keep them in snow mod (see above)

[jin_xi]

Hey, i did a little write-up on l-systems after i saw your post. its here http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69941

hope this helps

[VanessaE]

Splizard: very easily. And for trees the size of those, the L-Systems rules should be fairly simple to write.

Jin_xi's thread is a good place to start to understand how they work.

In the meantime, from a quick browse of your code (which I have not yet tried out), I guess all I'd to do is make a tree spawn on snow:dirt_with_snow with air directly above it? Seems like a small size of More Trees' Douglas fir would be about right.

Is there anything else one needs to check for?

[Splizard]

Hey, i did a little write-up on l-systems after i saw your post. its here http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=69941

hope this helps

Thanks

In the meantime, from a quick browse of your code (which I have not yet tried out), I guess all I'd to do is make a tree spawn on snow:dirt_with_snow with air directly above it? Seems like a small size of More Trees' Douglas fir would be about right.

Is there anything else one needs to check for?

Yes you need to check for snow:snow instead as that is always above snow:dirt_with_snow.

[VanessaE]

Moretrees has been updated to be more or less compatible with snow biomes - at least, small firs will now spawn in snow as long as it's on dirt or grass or grass with snow, though they spawn without snow on top of them. I guess falling snow will eventually take care of that last part though.

The two mods add enough load to the map generator that there are lots of cut-offs at mapblock edges now, though. I'm pretty sure this is a bug in the engine, not in your code or mine.

You'll need today's update of plants_lib to make it work properly (or as properly as the engine will allow).

As an aside, is there any way at all to tell the engine to always run your code first?

[Sokomine]

Great! Thanks for all the work. Snow mod and moretrees look nice next to each other.

[VanessaE]

Despite the load it would add, I'm considering adding the snow mod to my server. Any opinions on that?

[dsalt]

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[VanessaE]

This is due to the sheer number of polygons on your screen, which sometimes happens with these big trees. Try turning off "fancy leaves", see if that helps for now. A fix to the engine is needed (and is planned) to solve this properly though.

[Splizard]

Moretrees has been updated to be more or less compatible with snow biomes - at least, small firs will now spawn in snow as long as it's on dirt or grass or grass with snow, though they spawn without snow on top of them. I guess falling snow will eventually take care of that last part though.

The two mods add enough load to the map generator that there are lots of cut-offs at mapblock edges now, though. I'm pretty sure this is a bug in the engine, not in your code or mine.

You'll need today's update of plants_lib to make it work properly (or as properly as the engine will allow).

As an aside, is there any way at all to tell the engine to always run your code first?

Cool, about telling the engine to run snow mod code first, I believe 'depending' on snow mod would do that... (haven't really tested it though)
It is not really a practical solution.

[Bas080]

Jungletrees covered with snow. Maybe snowfall should avoid jungletree nodes.

[jojoa1997]

You could use the particle spawners for snowfall

[Jouster27]

Someone mentioned it earlier but I didn't see the particular question answered (sorry, if I missed it); would it be possible to configure Snow Biomes to only generate above a certain altitude or above or below a certain latitude? Say, maybe something along the lines of:

snowbiome_exludey=50 <-Don't generate snow biomes at an altitude of 50 or below.
snowbiome_exludez=500 <-Don't generate snow biomes between z=-500 to z=500.

Folks have mentioned that deserts can get cold and that is true but you typically don't see snow biomes close to the equator and close to sea level.

[windmere33]

What sound is it when you walk on the snow? It's hard to find it in the .lua (i mean like grassyfootstep2.ogg, or whatever)

[Splizard]

@bas080
It is because the jungles are inside a snow biome.
When mapgenv7 is released in stable I will redo snow mod, this will fix issues such as this.

@jojoa1997
Yes, I have been playing around with those. That is why I have made a issue on implementing attached particle spawners.

@Jouster27
yes that would be possible but not without modifying the code, thanks for the suggestion I will add that for the next release.

@windmere33
snow mod uses the default gravel sounds

[AndrOn]

Snow is very buggy in the new version of minetest (0.4.7): I have decorated pine and other random textures from the mod on the snow.

[Splizard]

Version 1.8 now out!
featuring falling snow, smooth leveled snow and mapgen_v7 support!

[GreenGerm]

where do you download minetest mapper from? I searched on Google but there wasnt any relavant results

[Splizard]

where do you download minetest mapper from? I searched on Google but there wasnt any relavant results

It should be included with minetest in the folder "util" it's called minetestmapper.py, you will need python to run that.
there is also a c++ version here: https://github.com/mireq/minetest-mapper-cpp
Here is the post regarding snow mod with minetestmapper https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=30137#p30137

[GreenGerm]

sorry i dont have that. Im running the windows version

[Splizard]

sorry i dont have that. Im running the windows version

ok sorry, Im not sure how to use it on windows :/

[Temperest]

That is super impressive. These snow biomes add a ton of atmosphere to the world, especially when it's snowing.

[Inocudom]

Voxel_manip could be very helpful for this mod.

Have you considered generating permafrost stone beneath the colder biomes?

[VanessaE]

What's the current state of this mod, when added to an existing v6 map? What will happen, overall?

[paramat]

A suggestion from a physicist ... snow falls at terminal velocity so acceleration (acc) should be zero ... i suspect it will look better that way. This goes for Jeija's weather mod too.

[Splizard]

Voxel_manip could be very helpful for this mod.

Have you considered generating permafrost stone beneath the colder biomes?

Yes I am experimenting with voxelmanip at the moment. This will be added soon.
Permafrost stone? maybe, but I'm not sure what that should look like.

What's the current state of this mod, when added to an existing v6 map? What will happen, overall?

Any new chunks generated after the mod is added will have the chance to be snow biomes and the areas of the map already generated that should of been snow biomes will have the potential to snow.
On v6 maps in minetest 0.4.7, snow mod generates the same as the last version. On v7 maps in minetest 0.4.8 (dev) snow mod generates according to the new biome system (no ice at the moment).
The next version of snow biomes will have voxelmanip support for v6 maps in minetest 0.4.8 (dev) which will make generation alot faster.
Snow mod does not use default snow nodes so you will be left with unknown blocks if you remove the mod.

A suggestion from a physicist ... snow falls at terminal velocity so acceleration (acc) should be zero ... i suspect it will look better that way. This goes for Jeija's weather mod too.

Thanks I'll try that out.

[VanessaE]

I think I'll add this mod to my server soon, but if you could, please make it use the default snow/ice nodes. Means less nodes for the program to have to manage, and ideally no duplicates. :-)

[Splizard]

I think I'll add this mod to my server soon, but if you could, please make it use the default snow/ice nodes. Means less nodes for the program to have to manage, and ideally no duplicates. :-)

I think you should ask minetest_game to remove the snow nodes, snow mod had them first :-P
Seriously though, Yea Ill think about it for version 2 of snow mod after 0.4.8 is released.