[Mod] Technic [0.4.16-dev] [technic]

[Marshall_maz]

Hi everyone , can I put two different types of generators on the same network ? For example , I want to put a MV Solar generator and a MV fuel power generator on the same network. Will both contribute to the total amount of power generated ? Or are different types not compatible on the same network ?

[Sokomine]

In the past, it has been no problem to combine diffrent energy sources. If it doesn't work now, report it as an error.

[gsmanners]

Speaking of errors, I have a kind of hacky "fix" for a couple things. Well, it works for me, so I'm keeping it for now.

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--- supply_converter-old.lua   2014-07-20 22:52:12.000000000 -0600
+++ supply_converter.lua   2014-07-25 17:08:44.000000000 -0600
@@ -10,7 +10,7 @@
 local S = technic.getter
 
 local run = function(pos, node)
-   local demand = 10000
+   local demand = -1
    local remain = 0.9
    -- Machine information
    local machine_name  = S("Supply Converter")
@@ -26,6 +26,7 @@
 
    if from and to then
       local input = meta:get_int(from.."_EU_input")
+      if input > 0 then demand = input end
       meta:set_int(from.."_EU_demand", demand)
       meta:set_int(from.."_EU_supply", 0)
       meta:set_int(to.."_EU_demand", 0)

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--- switching_station-old.lua   2014-07-20 22:52:12.000000000 -0600
+++ switching_station.lua   2014-07-25 17:17:29.000000000 -0600
@@ -278,7 +278,11 @@
          for _, pos1 in pairs(RE_nodes) do
             meta1 = minetest.get_meta(pos1)
             local eu_demand = meta1:get_int(eu_demand_str)
-            meta1:set_int(eu_input_str, eu_demand)
+            if eu_demand < 0 then
+               meta1:set_int(eu_input_str, PR_eu_supply)
+            else
+               meta1:set_int(eu_input_str, eu_demand)
+            end
          end
          -- We have a surplus, so distribute the rest equally to the BA nodes
          -- Let's calculate the factor of the demand

[Spirits Rising]

Letting you know that this mod has an apparent conflict with the Skylands mod. Each time I have tried to load up a world with both this mod and Skylands enabled, I get the following error.

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07:30:58: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from
07:30:59: ERROR[main]: D:\minetest-0.4.10-win32-msvc\minetest-0.4.10\bin\..\mods
\technic\technic_worldgen\init.lua:
07:30:59: ERROR[main]: ...st-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\technic\technic_worldgen/nodes.l
ua:154: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got string)
07:30:59: ERROR[main]: stack traceback:
07:30:59: ERROR[main]:  [C]: in function 'ipairs'
07:30:59: ERROR[main]:  ...st-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\technic\technic_worldgen/nodes.
lua:154: in function 'action'
07:30:59: ERROR[main]:  ...st-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\technic\technic_worldgen/nodes.
lua:141: in function 'for_each_registered_node'
07:30:59: ERROR[main]:  ...st-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\technic\technic_worldgen/nodes.
lua:145: in main chunk
07:30:59: ERROR[main]:  [C]: in function 'dofile'
07:30:59: ERROR[main]:  ...est-0.4.10\bin\..\mods\technic\technic_worldgen\init.
lua:10: in main chunk

[HeroOfTheWinds]

Fixed, see my reply on the SkyLands topic. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa maxima. Not RealBadAngel's fault.

[Nore]

@gsmanners: this should have been fixed, but I'll check anyway.
About your grinding & smelting automation, you can use only one level and crossing tubes (actually, you shouldn't even need them, normal tubes should do fine)

[gsmanners]

Oh, I tried all kinds of tubes. It got kind of crazy after a while. However, I found that the most efficient thing to do was to have the output tubes all spitting stuff into the open and then use a mese sand tube to clean it up. The cool thing about that is that any spillage (from when you transition to different ores or whatever) would also end up in the output box. I think the best I can do is a 4 grinder + 4 furnace setup (which eats through about 10K EU/s). I use a luacontroller as a repeater on a normal filter to give me the inputs. That way, I only need to arrange the input tubes in a way that everything can properly go where it needs to. That seems to work best.

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interrupt(0.25) port.a = not pin.a

[sss123next]

good day, after some of recent updates of technic mod lv water generators stopped working for me, interesting what already installed and connected generators are continue producing energy, bu saying "Has No Network", newly installed generators saying "Has No Network" and does not producing energy, i placing generators in the moving water and connecting via lv cable, maybe it have to be used differently ?

i am using latest git build of minetest, and latest git version of technic mod (master branch), also i have using many other mods, is this possible what some other mod caused this ?

P.S. sorry for my bad english.

[sss123next]

i see problem fixed in latest git commit, thx

[AMMOnym]

Hello, how can I use sonic screwdriver ?

[brep]

Hello everyone,

I have a supply converter connected like so:



My goal is to convert from lv to mv, but this does not appear to be working. The switch station for the lv side says that there is a demand of 10000 whenever I connect the supply converter, but that is all it says without any indication from the supply converter that it is converting. What am I doing wrong?

-brep

[gsmanners]

I think the supply converter is kind of a work in progress (unless I read the above response wrong).

The "demand" variable really should be read as minimum demand and each machine should also supply a maximum demand value. This way, you can have variable power devices (like for induction smelters, etc.). A supply converter would probably qualify as a variable demand device, I think.

[Wayward_One]

Hi, can someone tell me how to use the forcefield emitter?

Anyone...?

[LionsDen]

It may be that no one knows how the forcefield emitter works. I tried playing with it a LONG time ago when I was still using the technic mod and the technic game and could never get it to work. I also asked about the stargate and never got any help with that either so there are probably parts that are not working or understood.

[gsmanners]

Forcefields are kind of meh, anyway. I just now looked at it in creative, and I'm wondering why anyone would want to use it. Anyway...



It's pretty straight-forward. You right-click it and give it a range (the above shows you a range of 5) and it creates a sphere of unbreakable nodes in a sphere with itself as the center.

[RealBadAngel]

It may be that no one knows how the forcefield emitter works. I tried playing with it a LONG time ago when I was still using the technic mod and the technic game and could never get it to work. I also asked about the stargate and never got any help with that either so there are probably parts that are not working or understood.

Stargates are fully working transportation system, They just dont have any crafting recipes by now.

[Marshall_maz]

How do you craft the 3.5% Uranium ingots necessary to make the Uranium fuel rods ?

I have plenty uranium lumps , but when I put those in a furnace it gives 0.7% Uranium ingots and those don't work to craft the fuel rods. It seems it must be the 3.5% uranium ingots. How do I get the uranium lumps to 3.5% uranium ingots ?

Thanx

[Nore]

It is explained in the manual here: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/manual.md#uranium-enrichment. Basically, you'll need a lot of centrifuges, which are MV machines.

[Marshall_maz]

It is explained in the manual here: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/manual.md#uranium-enrichment. Basically, you'll need a lot of centrifuges, which are MV machines.

Thanx for the link. Doesn't help much though.
I have no idea how to set up the centrifuges with tube segments and can't find anywhere help on how that must actually look :(

[Nore]

Centrifuges work with tubes pretty like other MV machines: you have to put a tube upgrade (control logic unit) in them, and connect a tube to the side; it will then send the output items into that tube (due to a bug currently, that side may be left or right depending on the orientation of the machine). To put items into them, simply send them as you would with any pipeworks device.

[Marshall_maz]

Must they have filters on the side as well ?

[Nore]

No, that's the difference between technic machines and most pipeworks devices. You should update technic as well if it doesn't work, as there was a recent bugfix.

[Marshall_maz]

I'm trying the tubes now with a normal MV furnace. Tube inputs works ( from a chest ) , but output doesn't work. Everything piles up in the furnace. I put a tube on it's side which connects to a chest. I put a control logic unit in the furnace upgrade slots. The ore comes in from one tube from the chest fine , furnace burns it , but then piles up. Doesn't exit at the other tube.

[Nore]

Try the other side, and if that doesn't work, update technic, a bugfix for that was added yesterday.

[ThatGraemeGuy]

It is explained in the manual here: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/manual.md#uranium-enrichment. Basically, you'll need a lot of centrifuges, which are MV machines.

Thanx for the link. Doesn't help much though.
I have no idea how to set up the centrifuges with tube segments and can't find anywhere help on how that must actually look :(

OK, the whole process looks really complicated, but if you break it down into a few simple facts, you see it isn't that bad,

Uranium (lumps/dust/ingots) can exist in 36 different grades, from 0.0%-fissile to 3.5%-fissile, in increments of 0.1%.

The Uranium lumps you get from digging ore are 0.7%-fissile.

Placing 2 uranium dust of a particular grade of uranium into a centrifuge will result in 1 dust of the lower grade and 1 dust of the higher grade. For example, placing 2 0.7%-fissile dusts into a centrifuge will result in 1 0.6%-fissile dust and 1 0.8%-fissile dust.

In order to make fuel rods that may be used in the nuclear reactor core, you need to compress 5 x 3.5%-fissile uranium.

So what you need to do (and you really do need to do this, trying to do this manually is quite simply insane), is to automate the entire process of moving the various grades of dust around. The most straightforward arrangement is to simply have 1 centrifuge for each grade of dust from 0.1% to 3.4%. Added to that you have sorting tubes on each centrifuge to make sure the dusts go to the right place each time. You have a grinder where you place your mined 0.7% lumps, and it sends the 0.7% dusts to the centrifuge that handles the 0.7% dusts. The sorting tube attached to that centrifuge will then have filters configured to ensure that 0.7% dust is routed to it, 0.6% dust is routed to the centrifuge lower down the cascade and 0.8% dust is routed to the one higher in the cascade.

This general setup applies to all centrifuges except the 2 at the extreme ends of the cascade. The centrifuge outputting 0.0%-fissile dust will not feed into another centrifuge, instead you can whatever you want with those dusts. I chose to feed them into a furnace to make ingots, which in turn outputs to an autocrafter which makes blocks from every 9 ingots. At the other extreme, the centrifuge which takes 3.4% dust as input will have its 3.5% dust outputted to a furnace, which in turn outputs to a compressor, which will compress 5 ingots into a fuel rod. This you can then output to a chest.

Here's a visual.

[Nore]

Yes, it's exactly what's expected :). Also, 0.0% fissile uranium blocks, although a bit radioactive, is an excellent radiation shield; you can use it as a replacement for the concrete layer of a reactor, and add another layer of cheaper shielding for those blocks; it will probably become even more useful later when the blast-resistant concrete layer will be made optional too.

[qwrwed]

Are there any plans to add HV furnaces/grinders/alloy furnaces to this mod?
Also, there is a texture mismatch: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/issues/155

[Marshall_maz]

@ ThatGraemeguy ,

Thanx for that detailed explanation. Best I found so far. I understand the process , but the tubes is still the problem. Normal tubes doesn't even work in my game let alone sorting tubes. I still can't see how the sorting tubes must be configured. In my game the sorting tubes doesn't even see the output so that I can configure it. ( nothing shows at the on / off buttons ) Normal tubes doesn't even work with other technic machines such as furnaces. It was said here that it must be a bug. I think that's my biggest problem , the tubes not working at all and that confuses me as I try my best to set up the tubes but it doesn't want to work. I hope to update tonight which will hopefully fix the bug between tubes and technic. If the tubes start to work I might be able to figure it out.

Regarding your picture , I also don't understand why all the centrifuges are in a straight line. The 0.8 goes to next furnace , but where do the 0.6 go ? Does that skip one centrifuge and goes to the next. ?

EDIT: One thing I see is that you have your tubes connected at the back of the devices. Mine I put on the sides , maybe that's why my tubes don't work ?

[Nore]

Well, try all the different sides, you'll finally find the correct direction. Moreover, tubes only work with MV machines, not LV ones. About the picture, the idea is that each tube is a sorting tube, that will send the item in the machine if it's the correct one, or in the correct direction else: next to 0.7% machine you would have a tube that would send 0.7% dusts in the machine, 0.6% one side and 0.8% the other side.

[Marshall_maz]

Well, try all the different sides, you'll finally find the correct direction. Moreover, tubes only work with MV machines, not LV ones. About the picture, the idea is that each tube is a sorting tube, that will send the item in the machine if it's the correct one, or in the correct direction else: next to 0.7% machine you would have a tube that would send 0.7% dusts in the machine, 0.6% one side and 0.8% the other side.

I tried all sides now , only input works. Unable to get output.

Will try again after I have updated.