[Mod] Mesecons (= redstone) [GitHub] [minetest-mod-mesecons]

[Temperest]

@Temperest: First of all, huge thanks for (trying to) contribute/ing to the mod!!!

My pleasure. You've done a great job with this and I'd really like to see this go far.

1) Make a delay using an ABM or - much better the on_globalstep event. (Just create a timer and put timer=timer+dtime in the globalstep func). Create a like 1 second delay so that the server can't crash. Handle the turnoff/turnon after the 1 second has passed.

Well that's kind of the problem I was trying to solve - how to avoid delays in the logic. I don't think the one second delay would allow for more complicated stuff like adders and etc.

2) Make the inverter directional. The output is always on the other side of the input. Unfortunately, you would have to get the orientation of the node for this (im not sure if this is possible at all) or save your own orientation in param2 i guess of the inverter node.

I'll give this method a try. Actually, I had an idea - a diode made out of two blocks, the input and the output, and the output block would have two variations: normal and inverted. This seems to not need a delay, I'll write back soon with my results.

Once again, keep up the great work!

[Jeija]

Actually, I had an idea - a diode made out of two blocks, the input and the output, and the output block would have two variations: normal and inverted.

Isn't this what wireless receivers/inverters/transmitters actually do? Or what do you mean by that? Sorry if I just misunderstood you. Keep on!

[jordan4ibanez]

jeija! go to redcrabs server! the one with port 30001!

[Jeija]

wait... I'm compiling the latest git version right now

[Temperest]

Actually, I had an idea - a diode made out of two blocks, the input and the output, and the output block would have two variations: normal and inverted.

Isn't this what wireless receivers/inverters/transmitters actually do? Or what do you mean by that? Sorry if I just misunderstood you. Keep on!

Yeah it is pretty similar, actually, but without channels, and range limited to one block.

I'll study your wireless stuff for more inspiration.

Crafting should also be simpler for these blocks, I think - I'll try a steel + mesecon combo.

[Gatharoth]

Hey Jeija, is it possible for a single node to be both a receptor and an effector?

[Jeija]

@Gatharoth: It is possible, but it will make the game crash if the signal is conducted immediately. You have to set a delay.

[Gatharoth]

Alright. But that's kinda the point, delay :D

[Jeija]

Why would you need a block to be receptor and effector at the same time? In some cases it is also possible without a delay.

[Temperest]

Why would you need a block to be receptor and effector at the same time? In some cases it is also possible without a delay.

Same reason as me, I guess :)

Making single block logic gates need that capability, or they will have to be directional.

[Staffs]

http://c55.me/minetest/forum/viewtopic.php?id=715
Lol made myself some doors

[Gatharoth]

To force a delay in power transfer.

[Jeija]

Anyway, you should make these things directional.
@Staffs: Nice!!

[Gatharoth]

Oh also Jeija. when you use two movestones and some random node in the middle, then send them to be moved off a location (trying a workaround for the sticky movestones) the node in the middle gets removed instead of pushed. Any thoughts on why?

And I will need to use piston rules correct?

[Jeija]

This was a filed bug that i (think I) fixed. Im not gonna implement that bug again, sorry ^^

[sfan5]

Just made a Piston Door: http://youtu.be/MUllePYjscY

[Staffs]

Just made a Piston Door: http://youtu.be/MUllePYjscY

I wanted to do that but then i'd have to fatten my house walls :(

[Staffs]

Oh plus how did you record it ?
I mean with what program. I tried recordmydesktop but it ended with a quite buggy black video :(

[Temperest]

It works!

I made a plug block, a socket block, and an inverter socket block. They are placed with a space between them, like so:



Each plug allows four sockets or inverter sockets around them in the four cardinal directions. A plug and a socket makes a diode - energy can pass through one way but not the other. A plug and an inverter socket makes a NOT gate, which, combined with an OR gate, allows ANY type of gate to be made (NOR is a universal gate).

This implementation is a lot faster than using wireless transmitters and wireless inverters, so it should enable more complex machines to be built.

Here is a diagram showing usage:

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--S--
--A--
SAPAS
--A--
--S--

S represents a socket or an inverter socket, P represents a plug, and A represents air.

Here is the code (insert it into the bottom of your init.lua file, right before the "--INIT" line):

UPDATE: this is now included as temperest.lua in the main mod. See that file for the latest version.

One problem: sockets behave erratically when there is more than one plug two blocks away in a cardinal direction. I recommend you avoid allowing this to happen.

@ Jeija: If you want to integrate this into the main mod, feel free to. It's a bit messy since I'm still learning Lua, but it's pretty usable right now.

[Temperest]

Oh and here are the textures I used:

(jeija_mesecon_plug.png)
(jeija_mesecon_socket_off.png)
(jeija_mesecon_socket_on.png)
(jeija_mesecon_inverter_off.png)
(jeija_mesecon_inverter_on.png)

[redcrab]

Can't make this mods working with latest git celeron master code (0.4 20120102 of 03/01/2012),
node definition loading fails..

Did you check with last version?
This mods looks really great , does celeron will accept to insert it into the mainstream?

[Jeija]

@redcrab: I checked the latest git version and it works for me. Could you please post your error?
@Temperest: Nice work! But this can make the game crash when connecting a socket and an inverter. I guess you should make a delay (Minecraft redstone does not have torches/repeaters with delay for no reason)
I will include this in my mod as soon as this is fixed.

[robin]

I have the same problem, but only when I use [url=Hackeridzes https://github.com/Hackeridze/ru-true_minetest_mods_pack]ru-true_minetest_mods_pack[/url]. After logging into the server all nodes are Unknown Nodes.

With only Mesecon as single mod (and the default stuff of course) it is loading well.

[Jeija]

There are some broken mods in RTMMP (please remove or change them!). Maybe this could help you: http://c55.me/minetest/forum/viewtopic.php?id=691
See my post there. I hope this helped you. If not, try to remove the mods one after the other to figure out what's wrong or just ask again.

[robin]

I can confirm that nparticle is the source of the problem. I removed it and its dependency dynamite.

Now mesecon runs fine.

[redcrab]

Can't make this mods working with latest git celeron master code (0.4 20120102 of 03/01/2012),
node definition loading fails..

Did you check with last version?
This mods looks really great , does celeron will accept to insert it into the mainstream?

removing mods
dynamite
moreores
nparticle
doesn't help

There is no direct crash but a general faulty behavior
when I add your mods here what I see during login and in game

Login


in Game


NB here the list of existing mods used

• add_tool
• baking
• bottle
• bucket
• cement
• corn
• dynamite
• experimental
• flowers
• growing
• hatches
• hoe
• home_mod
• leaf_decay
• mark_underground
• moarcraft
• moreblocks
• morechests
• moreores
• mushrooms
• nparticle
• obsidian
• pumpkin
• ropes
• rtmmp
• seasons
• villages
• watermelon
• wheat
• worldedit

[robin]

This is my working combination. (PM me if you want the server credentials)

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add_tool 
baking 
bucket 
corn     
experimental 
give_initial_stuff 
hatches 
home_mod 
leaf_decay 
moarcraft   
moreores   
obsidian   
pumpkin 
rtmmp     
watermelon
animals   
bottle 
cement 
default 
flowers       
growing             
hoe     
jeija     
legacy     
morechests 
mushrooms 
paintings 
ropes   
throwing 
wheat


Obviously I dont have (nparticle, dynamite,) seasons, worldedit and villages running.

[Jeija]

Is there any error in the console? Do you use the latest git version? Try robin's working combination. Did you also try just using my mod and no other one?

[redcrab]

Is there any error in the console? Do you use the latest git version? Try robin's working combination. Did you also try just using my mod and no other one?

I find out that "seasons" mods conflicts with "mesecons" mods..

But beside of this topic, when removing seasons mods, the world become wholly ugly with freaky textures everywhere... how to clean up without destroying the entire world ?

[sfan5]

Is there any error in the console? Do you use the latest git version? Try robin's working combination. Did you also try just using my mod and no other one?

I find out that "seasons" mods conflicts with "mesecons" mods..

But beside of this topic, when removing seasons mods, the world become wholly ugly with freaky textures everywhere... how to clean up without destroying the entire world ?

You could use WorldEdit, if you know how the wrong nodes are named