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Posted: **Wed Sep 02, 2015 06:50**

Minetest Lua API Definition for ZeroBrane Studio

What?

This is a set of Lua scripts to add support for the Minetest Lua API to the ZeroBrane Studio Lua IDE.

It currently supports the following APIs:

Core Minetest API.

How?

Unpack the archive into your zbstudio user directory (see here). Alternatively, unpack the archive into some directory and manually move the Lua scripts to their respective directories.

Once installed, restart zbstudio (if already running), and select "Minetest" from the Project > Lua Interpreter menu. Start typing `mine` and it should automatically suggest `minetest` as completion. If it worked, you can now autocomplete most of the Minetest API.

Why?

Dunno.

License

+ Spoiler

Posted: **Wed Sep 02, 2015 15:49**

Looks nice. I'd like one for Atom - how easy would it be to convert.

Btw, you say "All rights reserved" and then give away some of your rights. You should also use a real license, like CC-BY or MIT.

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2015 01:07**

rubenwardy wrote:Looks nice. I'd like one for Atom - how easy would it be to convert.

I've already replied on IRC, but putting it here for the benefit of others.

The API definition is taken from a machine-parsable, condensed version of `lua_api.txt` I've created that is in turn converted by a (not so) simple Lua script (ldef) to the format used by zbstudio. It is possible to generate API completion lists for Atom, Geany, and other IDEs from this by writing an appropriate generator/formatter (see `ldef` repo for details).

rubenwardy wrote:You should also use a real license, like CC-BY or MIT.

Um....

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2015 08:34**

All rights are not reserved though, you then go on to allow end users to modify etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_rights_reserved

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2015 23:57**

If you don't want to use this, feel free to ignore it. The text will be kept as-is. You should tell that to the millions of projects on the net using the exact same wording too (because it comes, as I have pointed, from a well-known and accepted OSS license, the BSD [2 clause] License).

In any case, I request that if you want to continue this offtopic discussion we do so via PM.

Posted: **Fri Oct 02, 2015 16:04**

Dear kaeza,

i consider it quiet an offense, that you as a moderator steal my idea and present it as your own while posting an inferior version.
But lets break my claim into parts:

steal my idea: I did the same Mon Jul 27, 2015, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12923
inferior version: I have not checked the number of entries in both our version. It is quiet possible that your version has a bigger number of elements. What really counts is that you do not have to look up what a function does, my version provides that. Handcrafted comments, when needed. I spend ~a long time~™ writing all these comments.
present it as your own: Copyright (C) 2015, Diego Martínez <kaeza> All rights reserved.

And what can We do about it (without bitching):

Not freak out about my obvious provocation, since the only intend was to stimulate a discussion between us.
Join our effort to improve programming for Minetest and thereby all Mods under a more open license (I favor BSD)
Prevent useless competition between free and non-free licenses and our products.

Try to be on IRC a lot, till the situation is resolved.

Posted: **Sat Oct 03, 2015 17:26**

It's quite common that people have the same idea and provide similar implementations. Happened with my very first mod (bridges and handrails) as well: I later found out that Mauvebic had done a very nice, slightly diffrent implementation of the same idea long before. Happens a lot with lots of mods. Just count all the versions of carpets out there for example...or diffrent implementations of farming...there're lots of them. But if you intend to work together in the future, that's certainly good! But if your ideas differ too much, don't be afraid of keeping diffrent implementations.

Posted: **Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:33**

Firstly, ideas don't have copyright as they are intangible. Kaeza may have been working on a solution at the same time as you. Ideas don't legally need attribute, ideas are a dime a dozen. I had the idea of making auto-complete, but I didn't have the motivation of creating it. Therefore, if she did the work to compile the index, then she legally has the copyright. No matter who came up with the idea. Sorry, but that's how the international law works.

Secondly, this work is under the BSD license, which is an open source license.

Finally, competition is good as it encourages improvements and work. However co-operation and contribution is better still.

Posted: **Wed Oct 07, 2015 08:54**

rubenwardy wrote:Firstly, ideas don't have copyright as they are intangible.

Yup. That's why Minetest exist. Because it is inspired by Infiniminer and else.

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