FOSS gamedev and creative worlds

Hello everyone!
The mod system has changed a bit. User installed mods are not per game anymore. Install them in:

For windows builds and run_in_place linux version that is:

and for globally installed linux versions (create if needed):


The mods are enabled per world (disabled by default to not screw up already existing worlds). So, if you install a mod you need to go to the "Configure" window for the world in the singleplayer tab and enable it there, or, write this to world.mt:


This system will be used in 0.4.7, so if you update make sure to move all your mods from mods/<minetest, survival, build, whatever gameid>/ to mods/

Games are not affected by this change.

PilzAdam wrote:Hello everyone!
Mods are not installed per game anymore.
[...]
Games are not affected by this change.

This sounds incoherent.

My interpretation:

• Games behave and are written as before. Hence they include their own mods and these are always active.
• Mods outside of games are disabled by default, but can be enabled via menu at world creation.
• Worlds remember their mods, so reentering a world activates mods as before.

Can you disable mods of a game at world creation? E.g. start a HungryGame without the drowning mod.

qznc wrote:

PilzAdam wrote:Hello everyone!
Mods are not installed per game anymore.
[...]
Games are not affected by this change.

This sounds incoherent.

My interpretation:

• Games behave and are written as before. Hence they include their own mods and these are always active.
• Mods outside of games are disabled by default, but can be enabled via menu at world creation.
• Worlds remember their mods, so reentering a world activates mods as before.

Can you disable mods of a game at world creation? E.g. start a HungryGame without the drowning mod.

Sorry for the confusion, I changed the sentence a bit:

PilzAdam wrote:User installed mods are not per game anymore.

I hope that makes it a bit more clear.

Your interpretation is correct.

You cant disable a mod of a game (e.g. you cant use minetest_game without the "wool" mod).

Hybrid Dog wrote:Why don't work worldmods now?

Worldmods (i.e. mods in the worldmods/ folder in the world) are not affected by this.

Hybrid Dog wrote:but since luahud the "/" is marked when I press / to say a command

I had that too, but its gone for some reason.

Pressing "/" and having the dialog come up with that "/" highlighted has been a bug for a long while now - it comes and goes, with no apparent pattern.

Why?

Nice.

Originally I though this was the case until survival and build was introduced, and i discovered it.

It is much better this way.

they should be both per game and global, IE the old system goes over the new one? I complained about this in the original pull request. Glad to see I was ignored in my worries

sdzen wrote:they should be both per game and global, IE the old system goes over the new one? I complained about this in the original pull request. Glad to see I was ignored in my worries

I agree. I fought for this in irc but they don't want to. My suggestion is adding another folder in the mods folder for it. Like mods/world/mod here and mods/game/gameid/mods here. It is good to see one person sharing my idea. With the mod manager get rid of the add on thingy and ,make
-per world
-<gamid>

Well, this would be very nice if there is a graphical interface within the game for easily toggling what mods are being used, rather than having to move them all over the place. Just make sure it's easy to enable them all; I tend to use 60+ mods, and it would be tedious to have to go through and click 60 checkboxes or type 60 parameters into a config file.

onpon4 wrote:Well, this would be very nice if there is a graphical interface within the game for easily toggling what mods are being used, rather than having to move them all over the place. Just make sure it's easy to enable them all; I tend to use 60+ mods, and it would be tedious to have to go through and click 60 checkboxes or type 60 parameters into a config file.

They have a mod interface in the configuration tab for specific worlds.

anyone find out how to enable and disable the mods via the cmd?
I haven't and unlike some people the gui isn't my first choice to start up minetest. :)

edit: I know the other way but honestly.... it sucks.

sdzen wrote:anyone find out how to enable and disable the mods via the cmd?
I haven't and unlike some people the gui isn't my first choice to start up minetest. :)

or

after each startup all missing mods are written with false into the file.

PilzAdam wrote:You cant disable a mod of a game (e.g. you cant use minetest_game without the "wool" mod).

Why not allow the same setting for mods in the world's game directory, but default the game mods to "true" if the setting isn't present? This would allow users to add "load_mod_wool = false" to the world.mt file explicitly for a world using the "minetest"/minetest_game game type, but would not affect the current default behavior.

prestidigitator wrote:

PilzAdam wrote:You cant disable a mod of a game (e.g. you cant use minetest_game without the "wool" mod).

Why not allow the same setting for mods in the world's game directory, but default the game mods to "true" if the setting isn't present? This would allow users to add "load_mod_wool = false" to the world.mt file explicitly for a world using the "minetest"/minetest_game game type, but would not affect the current default behavior.

Games shouldnt be modified by users. The game creator should take care that the game is playable and that everything works.

Games shouldn't be modified. If they are, they're no longer that game- they are a fork. :-(

Does this have to be so complicated? I put set of mods in loads of directories and none so far are working.
So please, can someone explain to us nonprogramers how this damn mods working. There are mods directory in main foder, but it is not working so please help..

PilzAdam wrote:

prestidigitator wrote:

PilzAdam wrote:You cant disable a mod of a game (e.g. you cant use minetest_game without the "wool" mod).

Why not allow the same setting for mods in the world's game directory, but default the game mods to "true" if the setting isn't present? This would allow users to add "load_mod_wool = false" to the world.mt file explicitly for a world using the "minetest"/minetest_game game type, but would not affect the current default behavior.

Games shouldnt be modified by users. The game creator should take care that the game is playable and that everything works.

I personally would like the ability to turn on/off mods that are part of the game, which should not be a big deal if the depends.txt files are correct. For instance, I would like to turn the bones mod off.

@Stefek:
After you put the mod folder in the mod directory, in the latest build you have to enable the mods by configuring the map you create (configure button is in the main menu). They are off by default.

Stefek wrote:Does this have to be so complicated? I put set of mods in loads of directories and none so far are working.
So please, can someone explain to us nonprogramers how this damn mods working. There are mods directory in main foder, but it is not working so please help..

This is not complicated at all. You just need to read the second part of the first post:

PilzAdam wrote:The mods are enabled per world (disabled by default to not screw up already existing worlds). So, if you install a mod you need to go to the "Configure" window for the world in the singleplayer tab and enable it there, or, write this to world.mt:

Your phone or window isn't wide enough to display the code box. If it's a phone, try rotating it to landscape mode.

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load_mod_<modname> = true

So world.mt being the file that is in minetest folder/worlds/world, correct?

Also with the configure tab, the only thing that shows up is "Add-Ons". I click that and save. When I load the game no mods are loaded.

I also tried opening world.mt and putting in "load_mod_modname = true". But when I did the configure thing I talked about above, Minetest would delete that.

What the heck is going on?

wtebmaster wrote:So world.mt being the file that is in minetest folder/worlds/world, correct?

Also with the configure tab, the only thing that shows up is "Add-Ons". I click that and save. When I load the game no mods are loaded.

I also tried opening world.mt and putting in "load_mod_modname = true". But when I did the configure thing I talked about above, Minetest would delete that.

What the heck is going on?

It should should list all the mods under "Add-Ons", you probably have none in your mods folder.

PilzAdam wrote:

Stefek wrote:Does this have to be so complicated? I put set of mods in loads of directories and none so far are working.
So please, can someone explain to us nonprogramers how this damn mods working. There are mods directory in main foder, but it is not working so please help..

This is not complicated at all. You just need to read the second part of the first post:

PilzAdam wrote:The mods are enabled per world (disabled by default to not screw up already existing worlds). So, if you install a mod you need to go to the "Configure" window for the world in the singleplayer tab and enable it there, or, write this to world.mt:

Your phone or window isn't wide enough to display the code box. If it's a phone, try rotating it to landscape mode.

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load_mod_<modname> = true

So, why arent they enabled by default?

Two buttons known as Enable All and Disable All are in the Map Configuration menu. Different game types may need their own mod folders (with nothing being changed concerning minetest_game,) but the basic idea is better than what past ideas offered.

I personally love the new system. I like being able to seperately mod each world.

can you tell me in a easier way to get the mods working

1. Download the mods

2. Extract/unzip the mods in this folder (Lubuntu, but Windows has something like it):

/home/topywo/minetest-minetest-f764297/mods

--- You placed the mods right when they are in the folder where's also (standard) this file:
mods_here.txt

3. Check in the minetest/mods folder:
a. if the 'modpacks' have a file called "modpack.txt" in them
b. when not a modpack use the 'simple' modname. Easiest to explain with some examples:
I. farming_plus-master --> remove the -master to change the name in 'farming_plus'
II. rubenwardy-chatplus-2e58e53 --> remove the author's name and the number --> 'chatplus'
III. altertrunks --> has already the right name
IV. When in doubt, check for the init.lua file for the right name

4. Check the dependencies
a. You can read the mods first post, open the depends.txt file or see the 'depends on:' (under the configure tab) to find out on which other mod(s) the mod you want depends.

5. Activate by creating or selecting a world, pressing the 'configure' tab and putting a check in the enable box. (When there isn't a small box, just click another mod first and then go back, it probably appears then). Save the configuration.


A little piece of advice: Try out with a 1 mod (select creative to see if the blocks are in your inventory). If that worked, try with 2 mods etc.

Edit: some text changes.

I am starting to see that some changes to the games seem to fit the program minded people and not the average joes. Because the explanations are so technical that they can not be understood right away. This thread started with an explanation regarding mods. Then had to be clarified over about 9 posts. With debates in there too. Then those posts had to have there own debates. And honestly some of us. Sit here and wonder if this is all worth it. You would think it would be easier to just play the game. And not try to understand it.
But then again. I have a severe bronchial infection today. So im all ready miserable.
At one point I thought honestly that the game was gonna be abandoned. I play another clone and it happend there. But then I come in here and boom, there is a ton of discussion in the forums. But I still see one lacking thing. A user friendly version of the game.
Unless everyone who can program wishes to teach everyone who cant. Then I think that things like new mods. Should have an auto installer on them. And that the initial game should install to a standard directory.
Either that or the game should be made to update itself online from time to time and to install any mods that a user wants in there update.

epsonok0 wrote:I am starting to see that some changes to the games seem to fit the program minded people and not the average joes. Because the explanations are so technical that they can not be understood right away. This thread started with an explanation regarding mods. Then had to be clarified over about 9 posts. With debates in there too. Then those posts had to have there own debates. And honestly some of us. Sit here and wonder if this is all worth it. You would think it would be easier to just play the game. And not try to understand it.
But then again. I have a severe bronchial infection today. So im all ready miserable.
At one point I thought honestly that the game was gonna be abandoned. I play another clone and it happend there. But then I come in here and boom, there is a ton of discussion in the forums. But I still see one lacking thing. A user friendly version of the game.
Unless everyone who can program wishes to teach everyone who cant. Then I think that things like new mods. Should have an auto installer on them. And that the initial game should install to a standard directory.
Either that or the game should be made to update itself online from time to time and to install any mods that a user wants in there update.

As long as you JUST play the game, it IS more user-friendly than Minecraft.

Don't look at these discussions, if you don't want to use them (aka be a modder). Remember, the mod devving in minetest is still easier than in minecraft (lua vs C++)

Want self-update? Clone the mods from GitHub. Or wait for 0.4.8 . Or maybe implement the feature yourself.

sdzen wrote:So, why arent they enabled by default?

Imagine you have two worlds, in one you want to have e.g. moretrees, and the other not. Now you install moretrees and start the world you *don't* want it on. You go and disable moretrees for that world, but now you have tons of unknown nodes to clean up.