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by **ch98** » Sat Aug 17, 2013 19:49

say...

How can it be an ripoff when it doesn't even cost an cent? it is infinitely cheaper then minecraft and you easily can make it look like minecraft with few mods!

and ignore everything they say afterward because they most likely don't know what they can say and say something noone can understand.

by **BorisGrishenko** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 04:27

If they ever told me that Minetest is a Rip-Off, why criticize this clone when there are more Minecraft clones that you can ever imagine? Besides, I don't think this is illegal to do.

by **shadowwraith** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:02

Basically Notch did not invent the voxel building genre, he simply brought it into public focus with Minecraft, the genre was actually started with the 3D Construction Kit way back in 1991

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Construction_Kit

~18yrs before MC was even a thought.

Every game made both in the past and future, is a clone of 1 or more games.

Every MC fanboy reveres MC, but there are voxel building games that surpass MC in many areas, both current and in development.
Just let them bitch and moan about it, eventually they'll get tired of it and move on to something else.

My stuff · by **Mossmanikin** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 18:57

shadowwraith wrote:the genre was actually started with the 3D Construction Kit way back in 1991

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Construction_Kit

Wow! I need the C64 version! :D

by **Hamguy** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 19:07

Niften wrote:You know, you're just talking with your friends and all, and you bring up Minetest. You explain to them how it's blocky and all, and there's crafting and stuff. They immediately exclaim: "Ripoff of Minecraft!" or something like that. I ask them: "How?" They say: "It's blocky and stuff". I think, are they retarded? I try to explain to them that blocks are VOXEL BASED but they don't listen. What would you do?

You are getting offended by 12 year old and babies. ignore it

by **JKMurray** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 22:58

In my first video of Minetest I also called it a ripoff. But with music in mind, I believe that there are two explanations possible. Minetest can be called a ripoff if you keep in mind that it's a variation on a game and currently adds its own personality to it.

We cannot deny the fact that Minecraft and Minetest are similar. Also, if we see the mods being developed it's quite clear some people want too much Minecraft in Minetest. But is it bad? The community is creating a game which runs better, is easier to mod and gives us the opportunity to build on a platform that offers you the basic needs for a game like this. Don't like something? Delete it. Want something? Add it. And it's easy to do.

So, is it a ripoff? If that word means: using someones idea and adding your own ideas to it: yes it is. And that's not a bad thing. It's how things get better.

by **Josh** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 03:04

The thing is, why do everybody complain about minecraft clones only?
they dont complain about how 0 A.D is a clone of Age Of Empires (0 A.D is a free linux clone of Age Of Empires)

by **JKMurray** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 13:37

Josh wrote:The thing is, why do everybody complain about minecraft clones only?
they dont complain about how 0 A.D is a clone of Age Of Empires (0 A.D is a free linux clone of Age Of Empires)

Good things are always questioned :)

by **GreenGerm** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 15:14

Let them think what they want to think!

by **rubenwardy** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 17:06

Josh wrote:The thing is, why do everybody complain about minecraft clones only?
they dont complain about how 0 A.D is a clone of Age Of Empires (0 A.D is a free linux clone of Age Of Empires)

0AD is quite different to AoE.

It is greek stuff (-500 to 500) where as AoE is age of enlightenment (1700)

It does work the same though in design.

Where as minetest is almost an EXACT clone of MC, especially in game play

by **Melkor** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 23:15

Mossmanikin wrote:
shadowwraith wrote:the genre was actually started with the 3D Construction Kit way back in 1991

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Construction_Kit

Wow! I need the C64 version! :D

Maybe is HERE!

My stuff · by **Mossmanikin** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 00:44

Melkor wrote:
Mossmanikin wrote:
shadowwraith wrote:the genre was actually started with the 3D Construction Kit way back in 1991

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_Construction_Kit

Wow! I need the C64 version! :D

Maybe is HERE!

Thanks. :)

by **Purrune** » Tue Sep 10, 2013 21:05

if they called a ripoff 1.they are noobs 2.its free!

by **maier.nathan** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 16:10

Well, for me, minetest fits into more than just a game, but my whole world view. Most people who I explain minetest and other open source projects to don't understand unless they have similar philosphy, because it's not easy to explain. There is alot more freedom to work with the code, definitely. The communities that spring up around opensource or free software are a beautiful and pluralistic thing. Can't do that as much when money is involved. I think it's true that minetest wouldn't be around right now if it weren't for minecraft.
Please learn as much as you can here, and take away these skills to wherever you end up on earth.
-Nate

by **Evergreen** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 16:13

maier.nathan wrote:Well, for me, minetest fits into more than just a game, but my whole world view. Most people who I explain minetest and other open source projects to don't understand unless they have similar philosphy, because it's not easy to explain. There is alot more freedom to work with the code, definitely. The communities that spring up around opensource or free software are a beautiful and pluralistic thing. Can't do that as much when money is involved. I think it's true that minetest wouldn't be around right now if it weren't for minecraft.
Please learn as much as you can here, and take away these skills to wherever you end up on earth.
-Nate

Couldn't agree with you more. It's very difficult to say much about open source to anyone who doesn't have that worldview. Most people would say, "Why do I care that it's opensource? As long as it's free I'm fine"

by **IthegeekRS** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 00:13

VanessaE wrote:I just remind them that Minecraft, by extension, is a ripoff of Infiniminer.

Me too. But I also fill their computer with everything Minetest and delete stuff from their minecraft.jar

by **Josh** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 02:01

IthegeekRS wrote:
VanessaE wrote:I just remind them that Minecraft, by extension, is a ripoff of Infiniminer.

Me too. But I also fill their computer with everything Minetest and delete stuff from their minecraft.jar

Lol.

by **Erthome** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 18:20

HAH! Every character-based video game out there is a rip off of the paper and pencil D & D, which was a recycle of Chainmail which was based on civil war miniatures rules...which was ... well not hard to get the point...everything is a rip off from life, which is probably a ripoff from some cosmic imagination, etc.

All the Abrahamic faiths, despite their all-too-regularly simulated despise for one another, share the book of Solomon wherein he informed us that there is "nothing new under the sun"...and I'm pretty sure I remember something substantially the equivalent (which I can't quote or attribute off hand) from the Vedic texts (which are as close as we can come so far to recorded history prior to 5000 BC) So, the concept of quantum time as reflected in psycho-social context goes as far back as we know...and these texts are merely loaned to us as reflections upon the preceding global pyramidal civilization as evidenced in re-emerging archaeological record...

...circa the sunken cities and remnants of advanced civilizations

7200-9500 BC - Dwarka (gulf of Cambay),

North Sea – Doggerland. 18,000BC http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz25AQa5hHN

India - Gulf of Cambay - >10,000 years old. 5 miles long / 2 miles wide. 120 ft down http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1768109.stm
Mahabalipuram - 5 - 8 meters & 500 - 700m off shore (Dwarka) http://www.thehindubusinessline.in/2...1701601700.htm

Japan - Yonaguni-Jima 8000-year-old http://www.hottnez.com/the-mysteriou...d-in-yonaguni/

Isle of Wight – Solent: 11m off shore of Bouldnor. 8000 – 4000 BC Mesolithic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouldnor_Cliff

Isreal – Atlit-Yam. Near Haifa. 40,000 square meters from around 7000BC

Egypt – Menouthif and Herakleiion (Cleopatra's private quarters) 5 – 10 meters and 6km off the coast from Alexandria. Also Canopus and Thonis in the same area.

Cuba - Yucatan Channel

Greece - Pavlopetri >5000 years old (3D image here) http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=8616

Mediterranian (200+ cities)
http://reinep.wordpress.com/2011/01/...mediterranean/

Turkey - Kekova

Micronesia – Nan Modal. Occupied BC.

Bimini - Megaliths

30000 BC - Trikuta (Atlantis),

Adams Bridge - man made bridge 1,750,000 years old between Sri Lanka and India (not a city but amazing never the less) http://www.hottnez.com/adams-bridge-...nka-and-india/

Off the Cape Verde Islands, a drowned city and market place;
Off the Canary Islands, on the 50 foot deep sea bottom, wide engraved stone steps and a central pavement;
Off Madeira, at a depth of about 600 feet, a wall containing large stone slabs, as well as a stone staircase cut into the cliff;
Off Greenland, submerged forests, as well as buildings on former low islands.

We don't OWN crap...it is all given to us, and taken away when we die, we owe whatever we had, have, or may yet have to the past and the future, and we are sidled with responsible stewardship of it in the present. ;-)

by **Erthome** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 18:21

LOL and needless to say, they don't ask a second time ;-)

by **Inocudom** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 19:31

Erthome wrote:HAH! Every character-based video game out there is a rip off of the paper and pencil D & D, which was a recycle of Chainmail which was based on civil war miniatures rules...which was ... well not hard to get the point...everything is a rip off from life, which is probably a ripoff from some cosmic imagination, etc.

All the Abrahamic faiths, despite their all-too-regularly simulated despise for one another, share the book of Solomon wherein he informed us that there is "nothing new under the sun"...and I'm pretty sure I remember something substantially the equivalent (which I can't quote or attribute off hand) from the Vedic texts (which are as close as we can come so far to recorded history prior to 5000 BC) So, the concept of quantum time as reflected in psycho-social context goes as far back as we know...and these texts are merely loaned to us as reflections upon the preceding global pyramidal civilization as evidenced in re-emerging archaeological record...

...circa the sunken cities and remnants of advanced civilizations

7200-9500 BC - Dwarka (gulf of Cambay),

North Sea – Doggerland. 18,000BC http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz25AQa5hHN

India - Gulf of Cambay - >10,000 years old. 5 miles long / 2 miles wide. 120 ft down http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1768109.stm
Mahabalipuram - 5 - 8 meters & 500 - 700m off shore (Dwarka) http://www.thehindubusinessline.in/2...1701601700.htm

Japan - Yonaguni-Jima 8000-year-old http://www.hottnez.com/the-mysteriou...d-in-yonaguni/

Isle of Wight – Solent: 11m off shore of Bouldnor. 8000 – 4000 BC Mesolithic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouldnor_Cliff

Isreal – Atlit-Yam. Near Haifa. 40,000 square meters from around 7000BC

Egypt – Menouthif and Herakleiion (Cleopatra's private quarters) 5 – 10 meters and 6km off the coast from Alexandria. Also Canopus and Thonis in the same area.

Cuba - Yucatan Channel

Greece - Pavlopetri >5000 years old (3D image here) http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=8616

Mediterranian (200+ cities)
http://reinep.wordpress.com/2011/01/...mediterranean/

Turkey - Kekova

Micronesia – Nan Modal. Occupied BC.

Bimini - Megaliths

30000 BC - Trikuta (Atlantis),

Adams Bridge - man made bridge 1,750,000 years old between Sri Lanka and India (not a city but amazing never the less) http://www.hottnez.com/adams-bridge-...nka-and-india/

Off the Cape Verde Islands, a drowned city and market place;
Off the Canary Islands, on the 50 foot deep sea bottom, wide engraved stone steps and a central pavement;
Off Madeira, at a depth of about 600 feet, a wall containing large stone slabs, as well as a stone staircase cut into the cliff;
Off Greenland, submerged forests, as well as buildings on former low islands.

We don't OWN crap...it is all given to us, and taken away when we die, we owe whatever we had, have, or may yet have to the past and the future, and we are sidled with responsible stewardship of it in the present. ;-)

Erthome, I applaud your wisdom. In the grand scheme of things, there are no accidents.

by **Mcc457** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 02:13

Erthome wrote:HAH! Every character-based video game out there is a rip off of the paper and pencil D & D, which was a recycle of Chainmail which was based on civil war miniatures rules...which was ... well not hard to get the point...everything is a rip off from life, which is probably a ripoff from some cosmic imagination, etc.

All the Abrahamic faiths, despite their all-too-regularly simulated despise for one another, share the book of Solomon wherein he informed us that there is "nothing new under the sun"...and I'm pretty sure I remember something substantially the equivalent (which I can't quote or attribute off hand) from the Vedic texts (which are as close as we can come so far to recorded history prior to 5000 BC) So, the concept of quantum time as reflected in psycho-social context goes as far back as we know...and these texts are merely loaned to us as reflections upon the preceding global pyramidal civilization as evidenced in re-emerging archaeological record...

...circa the sunken cities and remnants of advanced civilizations

7200-9500 BC - Dwarka (gulf of Cambay),

North Sea – Doggerland. 18,000BC http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz25AQa5hHN

India - Gulf of Cambay - >10,000 years old. 5 miles long / 2 miles wide. 120 ft down http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1768109.stm
Mahabalipuram - 5 - 8 meters & 500 - 700m off shore (Dwarka) http://www.thehindubusinessline.in/2...1701601700.htm

Japan - Yonaguni-Jima 8000-year-old http://www.hottnez.com/the-mysteriou...d-in-yonaguni/

Isle of Wight – Solent: 11m off shore of Bouldnor. 8000 – 4000 BC Mesolithic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouldnor_Cliff

Isreal – Atlit-Yam. Near Haifa. 40,000 square meters from around 7000BC

Egypt – Menouthif and Herakleiion (Cleopatra's private quarters) 5 – 10 meters and 6km off the coast from Alexandria. Also Canopus and Thonis in the same area.

Cuba - Yucatan Channel

Greece - Pavlopetri >5000 years old (3D image here) http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=8616

Mediterranian (200+ cities)
http://reinep.wordpress.com/2011/01/...mediterranean/

Turkey - Kekova

Micronesia – Nan Modal. Occupied BC.

Bimini - Megaliths

30000 BC - Trikuta (Atlantis),

Adams Bridge - man made bridge 1,750,000 years old between Sri Lanka and India (not a city but amazing never the less) http://www.hottnez.com/adams-bridge-...nka-and-india/

Off the Cape Verde Islands, a drowned city and market place;
Off the Canary Islands, on the 50 foot deep sea bottom, wide engraved stone steps and a central pavement;
Off Madeira, at a depth of about 600 feet, a wall containing large stone slabs, as well as a stone staircase cut into the cliff;
Off Greenland, submerged forests, as well as buildings on former low islands.

We don't OWN crap...it is all given to us, and taken away when we die, we owe whatever we had, have, or may yet have to the past and the future, and we are sidled with responsible stewardship of it in the present. ;-)

You deserve a cookie.

I usually say, "Well this is free, and I have edited almost everything to my liking. Now you do that with Minecraft."

by **Forgelander** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 02:36

You people do realize that people that call minetest a ripoff are people who think blocks = minecraft right?

by **Minearriatest** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 22:53

I have Minecraft and Minetest and when I play one of them it seems completely the same as the other. MT is just 60 times more boring. Terraria is better than both by far.

by **Jordach** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 03:00

This is a ripoff: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=123648#p123648

Minetest just dosnt fit under that category...

by **Niften** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 02:53

Dan Duncombe wrote:I tried to explain like Josh how it isn't the same coding language or anything, but when they disagree I vapourise their souls.

sounds wonderful

by **Kilarin** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 23:02

Josh wrote:"You do not understand, Minetest is coded in C++ NOT Java"

Well, true, but lets not hold that against Minetest. :)

Exylith wrote:b-but... WoW is just a clone of ultima online! ;)

Lets not forget that almost all modern computer rpg games owe their inspiration to the ultimate computer rpg game: Nethack!!!! (which, itself, was a clone of rogue)

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