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We need better sky islands! The ones we have currently are generated due to glitches, but they are actually nice places, if you have the time to extend the land and make a stone foundation for them. What would be nice is, sky islands that have more of a broad surface, and sometimes even their own biomes. And lakes/streams, of which the larger islands can have small mountains with springs near the top, nestled in a forest on the side. And, water streams flowing downward at +1000 Y or higher disintegrate at the bottom as to simulate that the water is being ''evaporated by gravity'' as it falls off the sky islands. So that we can have a skysea and not have to worry about the Underworld (surface land, not hell) having a 3-foot thick layer of water everywhere.

Minetest should be more like a RPG.
There should be:

• Animals in the default game
• Mobs in the default game
• Farming in the default game
• More Ores in the default game
• Particles in the deafult game
• Better sound and music in the default game
• Flowing water that can push the player (in the default game)

Hmm... when I look at all these points it seems to me like Minecraft.

People who have intelligence and know how to fix problems.

We be lacking.

part of the problem here is that different things are lacking different things...

minetest, the engine lacks not only people who work with core code. it also lacks a decent game.
- maintainer / code contribution
- bugs: for example texture memory leaks
- features: for example like adam said, push the player
minetest_game lacks direction: see suggestions above.

also mods / games need unentangling. some mods have a lot of common ground and it would be good to make modding libraries for all mods/games to use, examples are biomes, path finding and movement, 3d helpers obviously

I think some mods (like carts, ambience, moreores, nature, animatedtorches, particles etc.) should be by default merged with default minetest_game. At least these, that are kind of stable and do not cause problems.

EDIT: And those mods, which cause problems, especially the "animals" mod for mobs, should be fixed and also merged with default minetest_game ;).

EDIT 2: And we should make a vote on which mods to merge in the default game ;).

Phitherek_ wrote:I think some mods (like carts, ambience, moreores, nature, animatedtorches, particles etc.) should be by default merged with default minetest_game. At least these, that are kind of stable and do not cause problems.

EDIT: And those mods, which cause problems, especially the "animals" mod for mobs, should be fixed and also merged with default minetest_game ;).

The cart mod does slow down the game a lot. So c55 wont add it to default (i think).
Ambience has many sound files wich cause a long connecting time.

You can always put the mods you like together and release a game, similar to minetest_game.

I think it needs default mobs, and default cooking. Doors and beds would be nice too.

As i said in EDIT 2, I think we need a vote for mods that should be added to default game.

I think better editing default game is good ...
but first we have to improve a lot on the engine ...
There are many things you can do with lua, but we must not forget that this is generated in an extra layer of process ...
many functions operate between 40 and 50% faster and better in c + +
and one of them is the support code from mod animals ... the ideal would be to implement their functions in c + + to call a lua ...
also have to fix a lot of things in the graphics engine ...
for example, the alpha channel of the textures, only recognizes two levels, visible or invisible, and if you apply textures super position as minerals and texture has a alpa with various shades of gray, the texture background becomes transparent in a range of 1 to 50% of gray alpha...

Jordach wrote:People who have intelligence and know how to fix problems.

I would say:

people with knowledge to solve problems

Lussy my puppy is very intelligent and not knows how to create code ...
but barks when the owner comes to collect ... XD

There are quite a few good mods around. Collecting them all takes some time. Might it be possible to bundle most of them from time to time into a single download and integrate an option into the game itself to turn each mod on and off? A simple textfile like depends.txt in the form worlds/MyWorld/use_mods.txt might do - with a "*" for "use all mods installed" and maybe "-modname" for "do not use mod modname".

Another big problem is connecting to servers. It took me some time to find one where the protocol versions where just one number apart - installing the newest minetest version helped :-) On that server I found someone who had a similar problem. Most servers are either offline or use a diffrent protocol version.

Sokomine wrote:There are quite a few good mods around. Collecting them all takes some time. Might it be possible to bundle most of them from time to time into a single download and integrate an option into the game itself to turn each mod on and off? A simple textfile like depends.txt in the form worlds/MyWorld/use_mods.txt might do - with a "*" for "use all mods installed" and maybe "-modname" for "do not use mod modname".

Another big problem is connecting to servers. It took me some time to find one where the protocol versions where just one number apart - installing the newest minetest version helped :-) On that server I found someone who had a similar problem. Most servers are either offline or use a diffrent protocol version.

A mod manager would be better. see http://tinyurl.com/mtmdfrm

(the links at the bottom of the post, to the mod managers)

Tool Sets need balancing. I feel that's missing.

Not as in 'pick axe should work faster on stone', that's alright.

What I mean is you shouldn't be able to collect wood from a tree with a shovel or pick axe. Shovel is required to collect clay, Pick Axe is required to collect cobble. Possibly in a fixed mob future, you should only collect meat from a cow by slaying it with a sword.

This'll give the tool sets as a whole more balance.

Yes!

enchants in the default world and thats for sure

No, please no enchants. The tools we have are good enough without adding some obscure properties to them. If you need a tool that's is faster, deals more damage, or lasts longer or whatever, then a mod should be made with tools bearing those properties (in fact there are lots of mods that in total add dozens, maybe hundreds of tools.)

We need some more gameplay improvements or is celeron55 waiting till the engine is all good first?
It would be cool to see some basic mobs just to make the game more intresting (we could implement sapiers animals mod)
moreores would be cool
TNT would be helpful not sure which one would be best Pilzadam's TNT o Sfan5's Nuke mod?
Flint and steel would be good to light fire
& there is many more thing's we could do we will just have to wait & see what happpen's

Josh wrote:We need some more gameplay improvements or is celeron55 waiting till the engine is all good first?
It would be cool to see some basic mobs just to make the game more intresting (we could implement sapiers animals mod)
moreores would be cool
TNT would be helpful not sure which one would be best Pilzadam's TNT o Sfan5's Nuke mod?
Flint and steel would be good to light fire
& there is many more thing's we could do we will just have to wait & see what happpen's

WARNING!!! SPOILER!!!
c55 wants to add a TNT mod to upstream, that is based on my TNT mod.

PilzAdam wrote:

Josh wrote:We need some more gameplay improvements or is celeron55 waiting till the engine is all good first?
It would be cool to see some basic mobs just to make the game more intresting (we could implement sapiers animals mod)
moreores would be cool
TNT would be helpful not sure which one would be best Pilzadam's TNT o Sfan5's Nuke mod?
Flint and steel would be good to light fire
& there is many more thing's we could do we will just have to wait & see what happpen's

WARNING!!! SPOILER!!!
c55 wants to add a TNT mod to upstream, that is based on my TNT mod.

Cool! now all we need is a few more improvement's. Like animal's and moreore's and we will have a decent
minecraft alternative that will continue to grow with it's exciting community & gameplay!

What it also lack is people that post things in the correct area.

This topic should be on General because its general talk about minetest not in Minetest related projects because we aren't doing any projects related to minetest.

part of the problem here is that different things are lacking different things...
minetest, the engine lacks not only people who work with core code. it also lacks a decent game.
- maintainer / code contribution
- bugs: for example texture memory leaks
- features: for example like adam said, push the player
minetest_game lacks direction: see suggestions above.
also mods / games need unentangling. some mods have a lot of common ground and it would be good to make modding libraries for all mods/games to use, examples are biomes, path finding and movement, 3d helpers obviously

That is what it lacks, more strongly experienced c++ programmers that are willing to help celeron55 with the engine.

I'm a decent self-taught C++ coder, with some OpenGL and Direct3D experience (although both of those are quite limited). I might not be able to hold my own with everyone, but I can definitely look through code and figure out what it does and how it works and then tinker with it ^_^.

I think I'm going to make a thread (if there isn't one already) dedicated to ideas that will further distance MineTest from MineCraft. I have one or two, and I'm sure lots of other players have thought of things they'd like to see in a miner-sim that haven't been addressed. Also, there's lots of ideas from other games that could be combined in unique ways to improve upon the "competition".

Hi richardmv, welcome to the community. Its great to get new people with c++ experience who are keen to contribute.