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Have been playing minetest on Ubuntu for about a week now and love it. I have a question. I am digging straight down (I know, a little dangerous but I like to live on the edge :) ). I am starting to think that there is no bottom to this thing, am I on to something? If so, I have a long way to go back up for nothing...hehe

The map goes down to a little bit short of -31000m (31 km below sea level)

VanessaE wrote:The map goes down to a little bit short of -31000m (31 km below sea level)

wow, what is at the bottom? will i drop into oblivion? also, thx for the quick response!

hammergil wrote:

VanessaE wrote:The map goes down to a little bit short of -31000m (31 km below sea level)

wow, what is at the bottom? will i drop into oblivion? also, thx for the quick response!

The bottom of the world is walkable, if you believe it, I've been down there myself doing Mese mining, boy is there loads of it.

I still say we need "unbreakable hard iron" for a base material at the bottom of the map, akin to minecraft's bedrock

VanessaE wrote:I still say we need "unbreakable hard iron" for a base material at the bottom of the map, akin to minecraft's bedrock

Yes, that is what I was expecting to find. Really enjoying playing minetest, I am impressed with the work you all have done!

VanessaE wrote:I still say we need "unbreakable hard iron" for a base material at the bottom of the map, akin to minecraft's bedrock

It should be called "Adminium" officially(!).
The player should be able to destroy it by planting a seed on soil below it.

Well as it would be at the bottom of the world, I don't see how one could conceivably plant anything below it :P

VanessaE wrote:Well as it would be at the bottom of the world, I don't see how one could conceivably plant anything below it :P

:D
I assumed the layer would be non-solid, like in MC. ;)

There needs to be something to stop people from digging to the bottom. Maybe teleport everything down near the bottom to top of the world and anything near the top to the bottom. Reason for this is because redcrabs server shut down at least 3 times as people was messing with the bottom. I hard that it was gravels falling below the bottom causing the server to get very confused, but I don't think it is good for game for there to be an bottom that looks like sky ether.

Hybrid Dog wrote:

Jordach wrote:

hammergil wrote:
wow, what is at the bottom? will i drop into oblivion? also, thx for the quick response!

The bottom of the world is walkable, if you believe it, I've been down there myself doing Mese mining, boy is there loads of it.

not if you /teleport 99999999999 9999999999 99999999

it never lets me teleport that far, I'm just floating in emptiness at that point. I've teleported to roughly 0,30900,0 and dug down to the bottom from there but the bottom is just an empty sky texture.

endless world like minecraft would be better...

what are the differences of building world between minecraft and minetest?
why are the high and the deep so big ??!!

cHyper wrote:endless world like minecraft would be better...

what are the differences of building world between minecraft and minetest?
why are the high and the deep so big ??!!

Minecraft isnt endless.

PilzAdam wrote:

cHyper wrote:endless world like minecraft would be better...

what are the differences of building world between minecraft and minetest?
why are the high and the deep so big ??!!

Minecraft isnt endless.

Minecraft is endless. However, there is a certain point where the algorithm goes wrong. It is about 820 flying time from spawn. You get very extreme lag, many things render wrong, and you have weird gullies and layers.
See this: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Far_Lands

Dan Duncombe wrote:

PilzAdam wrote:

cHyper wrote:endless world like minecraft would be better...

what are the differences of building world between minecraft and minetest?
why are the high and the deep so big ??!!

Minecraft isnt endless.

Minecraft is endless. However, there is a certain point where the algorithm goes wrong. It is about 820 flying time from spawn. You get very extreme lag, many things render wrong, and you have weird gullies and layers.
See this: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Far_Lands

That was fixed (accidentally) a long time ago. Now, the blocks beyond a certain point are "imaginary". You cannot interact beyond that point.

minetest is a really great game, but the depth of the world is really tooo big. I think one hundred nodes under sealevel are enough, aren't they? And simply, It lasts too long to climb up from a really depth mine when you digged a really deep hole.
(sorry for my bad english)

BlauerEisRegen wrote:minetest is a really great game, but the depth of the world is really tooo big. I think one hundred nodes under sealevel are enough, aren't they? And simply, It lasts too long to climb up from a really depth mine when you digged a really deep hole.
(sorry for my bad english)

Feel free to not mine below -100 then... There are also mods that add bedrock.

BlauerEisRegen wrote:minetest is a really great game, but the depth of the world is really tooo big. I think one hundred nodes under sealevel are enough, aren't they? And simply, It lasts too long to climb up from a really depth mine when you digged a really deep hole.
(sorry for my bad english)

I somehow understand your point.
But then again: nobody's forcing you to dig that deep. ;)

EDIT: Calinou was faster :D

BlauerEisRegen wrote:minetest is a really great game, but the depth of the world is really tooo big. I think one hundred nodes under sealevel are enough, aren't they? And simply, It lasts too long to climb up from a really depth mine when you digged a really deep hole.
(sorry for my bad english)

Well, I think that the height of the minetest world is also good for mods which add completely new regions to the game, e.g. the Nether and plantets (check out paramat's mods)-
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Du scheinst deutsch zu sein: Meiner Meinung nach ist die Höhe der Minetestwelt gut für Mods, die völlig neue Umgebungen zum Spiel hinzufügen, z.B. Nether oder Planeten (siehe die Mods von paramat).

webdesigner97 wrote:

BlauerEisRegen wrote:minetest is a really great game, but the depth of the world is really tooo big. I think one hundred nodes under sealevel are enough, aren't they? And simply, It lasts too long to climb up from a really depth mine when you digged a really deep hole.
(sorry for my bad english)

Well, I think that the height of the minetest world is also good for mods which add completely new regions to the game, e.g. the Nether and plantets (check out paramat's mods)-
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Du scheinst deutsch zu sein: Meiner Meinung nach ist die Höhe der Minetestwelt gut für Mods, die völlig neue Umgebungen zum Spiel hinzufügen, z.B. Nether oder Planeten (siehe die Mods von paramat).

Yes you're right. But isn't there a possibility to add the neither in an other way?
BTW. a Nether in the default game would be great!

BlauerEisRegen wrote:

webdesigner97 wrote:

BlauerEisRegen wrote:minetest is a really great game, but the depth of the world is really tooo big. I think one hundred nodes under sealevel are enough, aren't they? And simply, It lasts too long to climb up from a really depth mine when you digged a really deep hole.
(sorry for my bad english)

Well, I think that the height of the minetest world is also good for mods which add completely new regions to the game, e.g. the Nether and plantets (check out paramat's mods)-
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Du scheinst deutsch zu sein: Meiner Meinung nach ist die Höhe der Minetestwelt gut für Mods, die völlig neue Umgebungen zum Spiel hinzufügen, z.B. Nether oder Planeten (siehe die Mods von paramat).

Yes you're right. But isn't there a possibility to add the neither in an other way?
BTW. a Nether in the default game would be great!

There are mods for that, and IIRC, there is no other way of adding another realm aside from that.

In Minetest you could have a stack of roughly 30 realms each 2km tall ... you could generate impassable barriers between them and teleport between them as if they are other dimensions.
The advantage of Minetest is having the option of physically travelling to other realms instead of teleporting.
You could have a few 'teleport only' realms sealed away at the top and bottom of the world, and between them have a stack of realms reachable by physical travel: float lands, space stations, moons, alien planets ...
The Minetest cubic chunk cubic world system is therefore much more flexible and superior to MCs 16x16x256 vertical chunks, even though MC is larger in the horizontal.
The cubic chunks and world also express the 'cubic cosmology' of Minetest.

Evergreen wrote:

BlauerEisRegen wrote:

webdesigner97 wrote:Well, I think that the height of the minetest world is also good for mods which add completely new regions to the game, e.g. the Nether and plantets (check out paramat's mods)-
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Du scheinst deutsch zu sein: Meiner Meinung nach ist die Höhe der Minetestwelt gut für Mods, die völlig neue Umgebungen zum Spiel hinzufügen, z.B. Nether oder Planeten (siehe die Mods von paramat).

Yes you're right. But isn't there a possibility to add the neither in an other way?
BTW. a Nether in the default game would be great!

There are mods for that, and IIRC, there is no other way of adding another realm aside from that.

but what about creating a second world like the original where the player can travel trough?
with a second loadscreen?

BlauerEisRegen wrote:

Evergreen wrote:

BlauerEisRegen wrote:Yes you're right. But isn't there a possibility to add the neither in an other way?
BTW. a Nether in the default game would be great!

There are mods for that, and IIRC, there is no other way of adding another realm aside from that.

but what about creating a second world like the original where the player can travel trough?
with a second loadscreen?

That has been considered, but nothing has been done about it. Keep in mind, nothing is added into the game if it is stable and non glitchy.

Evergreen wrote:That has been considered, but nothing has been done about it.   Keep in mind, nothing is added into the game if it is stable and non glitchy.

makes sense...

kaeza wrote:

Evergreen wrote:That has been considered, but nothing has been done about it.   Keep in mind, nothing is added into the game if it is stable and non glitchy.

makes sense...

yep sounds right

sdzen wrote:

kaeza wrote:

Evergreen wrote:That has been considered, but nothing has been done about it.   Keep in mind, nothing is added into the game if it is stable and non glitchy.

makes sense...

yep sounds right

Whoops, I meant to say "unless it is stable and non glitchy", not "if it is stable and non glitchy". However, that was a pretty accurate mistake. :P

BlauerEisRegen wrote:but what about creating a second world like the original where the player can travel trough?
with a second loadscreen?

That may be more effort than it's worth, and anyway, i've just explained how stacked realms between impassable barriers are essentially no different to a MC type nether / end system, and inherently much more flexible :)

VanessaE wrote:The map goes down to a little bit short of -31000m (31 km below sea level)

That is crazy and very awesome!

Why people keep complaining about such deep, and such high? What's the problem? More play time? More awesome hidden buildings in the sky? Ether? Awesome mods? More ''infinite'' world? Awesome caves?
Minetest isn't a Minecraft copy. It's an engine, an ENGINE.

About ''bedrock'' It feels more epic to walk in the air than in a shiny stone.