Do Any Of You Know When The New Minetest Version Is Coming?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 16:57I have been wondering this.
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Do Any Of You Know When The New Minetest Version Is Coming?
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 16:57Re: Do Any Of You Know When The New Minetest Version Is Comi
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 17:040.4.10 released some days ago. Unknown release date of 0.4.11
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 17:11Expect something like November of this year for 0.4.11.
You can watch the engine commits and game commits.
You can watch the engine commits and game commits.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 20:25How long is it expected until 0.5?
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 21:10philipbenr wrote:How long is it expected until 0.5?
I don't think we can predict when that will come out.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 22:09philipbenr wrote:How long is it expected until 0.5?
In a world where time is measured in the trivial metric: 1.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 01:15PilzAdam wrote:In a world where time is measured in the trivial metric: 1.
XD another great quote from you.
Evergreen wrote:I don't think we can predict when that will come out.
I thought so... I wonder what it will contain that is big...
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 06:20philipbenr wrote:PilzAdam wrote:In a world where time is measured in the trivial metric: 1.
XD another great quote from you.Evergreen wrote:I don't think we can predict when that will come out.
I thought so... I wonder what it will contain that is big...
I see you do not know how updates work...
An update is bumped up by the second decimal when material in it contain such a huge re-write, or such a big huge feature, that earlier versions of Minetest suddenly become obsolete with it ( 0.4.x won't be compatible with 0.5.x; 0.5.x won't be compatible with 0.6.x and so on). Engine updates happen regularly, commits are mostly bug-fixing rather than new feature adding. This is not Freeminer to expect thousands of new features in ever version bump. Over here, each feature is tuned and tweaked to use the minimum amount of possible resources. Each third decimal bump is when the core developers feel that enough has changed, and enough bugs have been fixed to call a new build, a stable release.
So, when will 0.5 come out?
Simply put, no one knows. And no one wants to rush it either way. This is because compatibility-breaking commits can only be put in versions that bump the second decimal. This is a huge opportunity to fix a lot of stuff, re-write a lot of stuff, as developers can be assured that such a release will be used by ALL people playing Minetest, as compared to now, where you can still use 0.4.8 or 0.4.3 if you want (But it is not recommended). Such a release may also change a LOT of the lua API, so many mods would unfortunately be shifted to Old Mods [citation needed]. So, unless there are a lot of commits that make it more worth to break compatibility with a ton of stuff, as compared to continuing the current bloated branch, the 0.4.x branch will continue. Expect this to go as high as 0.4.15 or so, although it might not.
It's better not to rush 0.5. We don't want another 0.4.9, do we?
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:20Actually, I sorta do, but then again, I normally plan things out a lot. And then again, I work alone. Funny thing though, I just heard my brother explain about updates last week.
See, the thing I am wondering about is this: Most of what is happening in Minetest right now seems to be a bit on the internal. At first glance, there are not many differences I can pick out from 0.4.5 and 0.4.9. I am just making a point to say that. So when I say 0.5, I should be more clear. I mean something along the lines of this: What will make 0.5 into a new ... series (Don't know what to call it.)? Different than the 0.4._ series? How many more spruce-ups will the 0.4._ series have? I say this only because I think that it's time that there is a new series. We have 3d people and we had a texture overhaul, and we had a way to view ourselves. If you think about it, there are limited possibilities that fit within the theme for a next release of the 0.4._ series...
Yes, I know that is not how it works all the time, but that is the way I have noticed it run in many games other than Minetest.
See, the thing I am wondering about is this: Most of what is happening in Minetest right now seems to be a bit on the internal. At first glance, there are not many differences I can pick out from 0.4.5 and 0.4.9. I am just making a point to say that. So when I say 0.5, I should be more clear. I mean something along the lines of this: What will make 0.5 into a new ... series (Don't know what to call it.)? Different than the 0.4._ series? How many more spruce-ups will the 0.4._ series have? I say this only because I think that it's time that there is a new series. We have 3d people and we had a texture overhaul, and we had a way to view ourselves. If you think about it, there are limited possibilities that fit within the theme for a next release of the 0.4._ series...
Yes, I know that is not how it works all the time, but that is the way I have noticed it run in many games other than Minetest.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:35philipbenr wrote:Actually, I sorta do, but then again, I normally plan things out a lot. And then again, I work alone. Funny thing though, I just heard my brother explain about updates last week.
See, the thing I am wondering about is this: Most of what is happening in Minetest right now seems to be a bit on the internal. At first glance, there are not many differences I can pick out from 0.4.5 and 0.4.9. I am just making a point to say that. So when I say 0.5, I should be more clear. I mean something along the lines of this: What will make 0.5 into a new ... series (Don't know what to call it.)? Different than the 0.4._ series? How many more spruce-ups will the 0.4._ series have? I say this only because I think that it's time that there is a new series. We have 3d people and we had a texture overhaul, and we had a way to view ourselves. If you think about it, there are limited possibilities that fit within the theme for a next release of the 0.4._ series...
Yes, I know that is not how it works all the time, but that is the way I have noticed it run in many games other than Minetest.
I think 0.4.x is the "series" of versions where the modding api is introduced and worked on. (not sure if that is right) I don't know what major feature 0.5.x will work on though.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 13:04So what would define a 1. release?
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 14:57Casimir wrote:So what would define a 1. release?
Probably a gameplay that is more then just Lego. So that the user is challenged without multiplayer or creativity.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 17:59Casimir wrote:So what would define a 1. release?
semver.org wrote:5. Version 1.0.0 defines the public API. The way in which the version number is incremented after this release is dependent on this public API and how it changes. (view)
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 19:04I personally am 100% sure that the next Minetest version is released exactly at the same time when the next Minetest version is released. :-) It is literally impossible to miss that deadline. :-))))
@rubenwardy: This is from a completely independent website. I don’t know if Minetest does follow this versioning scheme. Just because some software uses version numbers like X.Y.Z it does not mean neccessarily that it uses Semantic Versioning.
But yeah, I too would want to know what Minetest would need to be released a version 1.0.0. OK, a finished and well-documented API, that’s a no-brainer to me. But what else (in features)?
@rubenwardy: This is from a completely independent website. I don’t know if Minetest does follow this versioning scheme. Just because some software uses version numbers like X.Y.Z it does not mean neccessarily that it uses Semantic Versioning.
But yeah, I too would want to know what Minetest would need to be released a version 1.0.0. OK, a finished and well-documented API, that’s a no-brainer to me. But what else (in features)?
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 01:19Evergreen, you are right, 0.4.x was originally for developing and fleshing out the modding API. However, it is not a bad thing if we got a lot of stuff (shaders, 3rd person view, etc) along the way, it it?
philip, the version control numbers do depend on the internals. If you use dev builds, you will notice that there are A LOT of builds between any two version numbers. With this in mind, read what I said earlier again. A 0.x release is when there is a HUGE REWRITE. Remember that not all is evident on the outside, though if you jump on the dev build bandwagon, you will notice how much development goes between two releases.
philip, the version control numbers do depend on the internals. If you use dev builds, you will notice that there are A LOT of builds between any two version numbers. With this in mind, read what I said earlier again. A 0.x release is when there is a HUGE REWRITE. Remember that not all is evident on the outside, though if you jump on the dev build bandwagon, you will notice how much development goes between two releases.
Re: Do Any Of You Know When The New Minetest Version Is Comi
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 07:05Let's not forget that these are only numbers in the end. You could have version 0.01 alpha and it still could be feature-complete and bug-free.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 09:31Right, but when will be the release of 4.11?
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:24neola wrote:Right, but when will be the release of 4.11?
Calinou wrote:Expect something like November of this year for 0.4.11.