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Recently on GunshipPenguin's Hungry Games server:

https://i.imgur.com/zRDdczp.jpg

The image shows some user posting an extremely long message repeating the word “DAY” over and over again. The message is so long, it fills the entire screen. It is very annoying.
The client-side workaround is easy: Hit [F2] and you hide the chat log. But this is not a real solution, because you also hide the legitimate chat.

The problem is not that some user spams the chat, but that stuff like this is possible in the first place.

I therefore suggest to add a length limit to chat messages on the server side. Messages which exceed a certain length are simply rejected.
On the client side, the client may simply not allow to type further characters at a certain point, because they would be rejected by the server anyways. Maybe the server first “tells” the clients the maximum allowed message length, so the client can apply this limit as well. But it is important that the real message length limit is applied by the server.
I think that 256 characters might be a good start, probably nobody wants to write legit messages which are so long. 256 characters are approximately needed to fill 2 lines in chat.

But this limit should be configurable in minetest.conf (just to be sure), even possible to disable it altogether (for whatever reason).

I want this to be part of the engine, and not just a mod. This is core behavior IMO.

The chat dialog's text dialog should also be limited so they don't type too long a message and get it wasted. Having a setting for this isn't really necessary, and over complicates things - you'd need to send the setting to the client.

I basically wrote about all that client stuff, except that you disagree with me on that there should be a setting.

Oh, my eyes skipped that line. :P

I disapprove. I've had enough of this crap >:(.

But that's just my opinion

ABJ wrote:I disapprove. I've had enough of this crap >:(.

But that's just my opinion

Do you disapprove of limiting chat message length?

Yes that's what I was disapproving of. Sorry for the foggy post.

Does that mean you are in favor of this?:



Haha, just kidding. But seriously, can you give me a legitimite use case of writing a single (!) chat message with more than 500 characters?
Just for comparison, this is how 500 characters (or 504 bytes, because of the IPA notation) look like:

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With /r you can begin a new line in chat.
You can ctrl+c that (after putting it onto a sign with lua). So if you type e.g. hello, everybody<ctrl+v>*** Server shutting down. people think that the server is shutting down.
/n makes a new line, too, but the playername is shown at the beginning of this line

It's worse on Android on small devices. Due to poor vision have to increase the font size a bit, and the chat ends taking up almost half the screen on my 4 inch phone.

My suggestion is to add a button to show the console (like F10 does on PC), and making only a couple lines of chat visible (preferably a client-configurable number of lines).

Hybrid Dog, that sounds weird, but I don't quite understand how to reproduce it. Also, if you have to put text into a sign with Lua, that would mean you would have to be pretty privileged on the server already, and even then, the server needs to have some mod like luacmd installed.

The idea of limiting the chat length only on client side is also interesting. However, I still think that a server accepting any arbitrary length of data could be problematic for other reasons.
What if someone floods the server not with just one screen full of text, but mebibytes full of garbage (maybe caused by a modified client or own code)? Could a server even be theoretically brought to a crash with something like that?

Wuzzy wrote:Hybrid Dog, that sounds weird, but I don't quite understand how to reproduce it. Also, if you have to put text into a sign with Lua, that would mean you would have to be pretty privileged on the server already, and even then, the server needs to have some mod like luacmd installed.

You can leave singleplayer and join a server and ctrl+v still works.
1. make the sign in your world have this \r:

2. join a singleplayer world, place a sign, rightclick it, type ctrl+a, then ctrl+c, then exit the sign fromspec
3. test it: type t, hi, ctrl+v, ** l left the game., enter
4. leave your world, join a server and do it there
5. put it somewhere onto a sign on the server that you don't need to get it from singleplayer every time

Wuzzy wrote:The idea of limiting the chat length […]

maybe use a string instead of a wstring

I'm still against it. You could always condense chat into a single GUI of it's own like MC and use F10 for long chat messages. And this would not happen. This is just *. And for flooders, you can always scroll or if it's that bad, kick/ban/whatever.