[Game] Minetest NeXt (discontinued) (part of minetest_game)

[BlockMen]

This is a good opportunity to change the mapgen v6 parameters, are you already working on this? i'm thinking of playing with these myself to improve and show the potential of MGV6. Remember MGV7 is about to be radically rewritten so don't depend on that.
Thanks for adding my wieldhand :)

No, currently not. But suggest tweaked values if you want (or make a pull request) ;)

A radical suggestion ... change the grass side texture to be completely grass, this was the first change i ever made to Minetest, lines of dirt along the sides of every grassy hill look so bad to me =/ I seem to remember BlockMen is the only other modder other than me to do this.

Hmm...i will talk with sfan5 and nore about this but personally i wouldnt want it make with a texture (if changing at all).

[Jordach]

This is a good opportunity to change the mapgen v6 parameters, are you already working on this? i'm thinking of playing with these myself to improve and show the potential of MGV6. Remember MGV7 is about to be radically rewritten so don't depend on that.
Thanks for adding my wieldhand :)

No, currently not. But suggest tweaked values if you want (or make a pull request) ;)

A radical suggestion ... change the grass side texture to be completely grass, this was the first change i ever made to Minetest, lines of dirt along the sides of every grassy hill look so bad to me =/ I seem to remember BlockMen is the only other modder other than me to do this.

Hmm...i will talk with sfan5 and nore about this but personally i wouldnt want it make with a texture (if changing at all).

A hybrid form of Better grass would be a better idea...

[Casimir]

Something like this?

[BlockMen]

A hybrid form of Better grass would be a better idea...

Something like this?
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Personally i would prefer something like this: viewtopic.php?id=5190
, but it needs a lot improvement before it could be included (if somehting like that gets added at all)

[Krock]

/me would prefer Casimir's grass, because dirt is still visible. Grass does not grow very well on vertical sides.

[Hybrid Dog]

I just put this maybe not fully fitting link here.
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/181

[Linxx]

what are the main goals for this game? aside from taking the original minetest_game place.

[Calinou]

what are the main goals for this game? aside from taking the original minetest_game place.

I presume it's mostly only filling the gap and improving the game without really changing its goal.

[Hybrid Dog]

I think it does more than improving the default game, it also changes most of the default textures. I don't think everyone like these changes.
https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_ne ... bec67d1ddc

[Sokomine]

I think it does more than improving the default game, it also changes most of the default textures. I don't think everyone like these changes.

Ups. That's a serious problem. That means that existing servers can't just switch over to minetest_next - the appearance of buildings would be changed. Of course players do sometimes use texture packs - but that's their choice then. They can't complain if a building doesn't look well with other textures than those installed by default on the server.

Some of the new functions are very nice: /sethome is very important (even for singleplayer - I don't want to know how many starter houses have been lost due to players not finding back there after death!). Protected furnaces are also very good. Also jungle enabled by default.

But the textures are a problem. Please find a way to make minetest_next usable on existing servers. The imrpovements are worth it. Changing the textures on existing worlds is an absolute no-go. An option to choose which textures to use might do. Perhaps a small shell script that copies the old textures back - plus an extra mod, i.e. default2, that adds blocks with the new textures to the game. That would be the choice I'd love to see implemented.

The xpanes are also an improvement compared to the xpanes mod on Redcrabs server - those always had the problem of connecting glass panes to nodeboxes, like i.e. chairs, and that didn't look well. Unfortionately, the xpanes are not the solution I need for my buildings. Just place one of the nice new glass doors (not as nice as the homedecor ones but definitely a start) next to a wall consisting of the new glasspanes. See the problem? That's where I need glass panes. And also in buildings where the walls are made of half-wide blocks. Moving the glass pane to the border of the block is only half the solution.

The dark background when accessing a formspec is strange. Does it symbolize locked objects? If so, perhaps a lock or key symbol might help.

And please don't get me wrong on the textures. I like most of the new ones far more than the old ones. Some may be a huge improvement for cheap buildings out of cobble/stonebrick/wood. And the sandstonebrick texture is also very nice. The clay one less so. The wood texture is a definite improvement. Perhaps making it end at the block boundary would look even better. New worlds will look better with the new textures.

[sfan5]

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mkdir pack/oldtextures
echo "Old minetest_game textures" > pack/oldtextures/description.txt
find games/minetest_game/ -name "*.png" -exec cp {} pack/oldtextures/ \;


done

[Sokomine]

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    mkdir pack/oldtextures
    echo "Old minetest_game textures" > pack/oldtextures/description.txt
    find games/minetest_game/ -name "*.png" -exec cp {} pack/oldtextures/ \;


done

And how may a server use such a texture pack?

[Hybrid Dog]

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[paramat]

Blockmen, having completely grassy sides to grass nodes is probably unpopular with most players, and can be done easily with a texture change, so i really don't expect this to happen ;) In fact i would rather it was done simply with a texture instead of your complex (and impressive) abm method.

Concerning mapgen, hmmmm has developed some new parameters for MGV6 which apparently are a big improvement and he would like to see those used somewhere, i'll try to find those for you.

[Kilarin]

Hello!

My son is playing Minetest NeXt on a windows machine. He tried farming, and planted about 7 wheat seeds and waited for them to grow. He harvested when he thought they were done (they had turned yellow) but he only harvested 2 wheat and no new seeds.

I've never done any farming, but this doesn't sound like the expected rate of return. What is he doing wrong?

Thanks!

[rubberduck]

the wheat seed has 8 different sizes when growing.
you have to wait for the last "status" of the plant

here you can read more about the wheat, size and drop-probabilities

http://wiki.minetest.net/Wheat_%28plant%29
if the plant is fully grown up, you should get at least one seed and one wheat(item) per plant

[Kilarin]

That was it. He mistook the "almost grown" for the "fully grown" image. He is now harvesting with very nice returns.

Thank you!

[Sokomine]

That was it. He mistook the "almost grown" for the "fully grown" image. He is now harvesting with very nice returns.

He's not the first one to encounter that problem. It annoyed me a lot with the strawberries from farming_plus. Thus, I changed the image to the almost-grown one from red strawberries to more white/pinkish berries. This makes distinguishing them a lot easier.

[Kilarin]

He's not the first one to encounter that problem.

His final method of determining when the wheat was ripe: one looked for one pixle on the bottom row. If it was missing, the wheat was in stage 7, if it was there, the wheat was in stage 8 and ripe.

I think you've got an excellent point that making the final stage of a harvest crop more easily distinguishable might be a good change to make.

[Mikerhinos]

Sparklings when ready to harvest would be pretty cool too.

[rubberduck]

i really like this game.

i have some ideas what you can add too.

1. i don't know, if it is possible to disable the "prevent node inside player" feature.
i like the idea to make it possible to disable this feature, because this feature slows down making "towers" to get on high places

2. the ore-textures could be improved.
some time ago i made these textures here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8677
the default textures look very similar in some cases, that was one reason i made new ones.

3. i don't like these 2d torches
the 3d torches (viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6099)
could (if you want) replace the old ones.

[Calinou]

1. i don't know, if it is possible to disable the "prevent node inside player" feature.

It's done in C++ and has no minetest.conf setting to be disabled.

You can modify your client, but that may be seen as cheating.

[Kilarin]

My son is having a lot of fun with minetest_next. But, being my boy, he's had to start messing with it already. :)
He figured out where the plant textures were and modified them so it was easier to tell when crops were ripe. And he hunted down the sign recipe and changed it to generate 6 signs instead of 1. He thought it was unreasonable that it took 6 3'x3' boards to make one small sign. :)

[Sokomine]

He thought it was unreasonable that it took 6 3'x3' boards to make one small sign. :)

Very reasonable change :-) On most servers, you do get 4 signs for the receipe.

[Kilarin]

Another question about Minetest_next. On my mintest_game server I'm finding lava lakes quite frequently underground. But in my son's minetest_next game he's been mining a log, has exceeded a depth of over -700, and still hasn't hit a single lava lake.

Did you change the frequency of lava in mintest_next, or is this just random difference in two maps?

[Sokomine]

has exceeded a depth of over -700, and still hasn't hit a single lava lake.

I don't know if minetest_next changes anything there, but it might as well be just bad luck. A way to quickly check for any sourrounding lava lakes is to grant yourshelf the noclip priv and then fly into the stone. Lava lakes and caves will become visible. It's convenient but may be considered cheating.

[Krock]

https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_ne ... etest.conf

It doesn't change any lava things.

[Kilarin]

A way to quickly check for any sourrounding lava lakes is to grant yourshelf the noclip priv and then fly into the stone.

Thank you for the suggestion. He did that, and found a lot of lava lakes. Apparently he had just managed to dig that far and not hit any yet. I dug an elevator shaft straight down in my world and hit about 5 lava lakes before I got to -1000. Random means RANDOM. :)

[Sokomine]

Random means RANDOM. :)

He's not the first to stumble upon that :-) Happens to us all sooner or later. Random is sometimes strange :-)

[srifqi]

Sorry, but i have an error here:

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11:49:25: ERROR[main]: ========== ERROR FROM LUA ===========
11:49:25: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from
11:49:25: ERROR[main]: D:\Program Files\minetest-0.4.9\bin\..\games\minetest_next\mods\farming\init.lua:
11:49:25: ERROR[main]: ...-0.4.9\bin\..\games\minetest_next\mods\farming/nodes.lua:1: attempt to call field 'override_item' (a nil value)
11:49:25: ERROR[main]: stack traceback:
11:49:25: ERROR[main]:    ...-0.4.9\bin\..\games\minetest_next\mods\farming/nodes.lua:1: in main chunk
11:49:25: ERROR[main]:    [C]: in function 'dofile'
11:49:25: ERROR[main]:    ...t-0.4.9\bin\..\games\minetest_next\mods\farming\init.lua:7: in main chunk
11:49:25: ERROR[main]: ======= END OF ERROR FROM LUA ========
11:49:25: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run D:\Program Files\minetest-0.4.9\bin\..\games\minetest_next\mods\farming\init.lua
11:49:25: ERROR[main]: ModError: ModError: Failed to load and run D:\Program Files\minetest-0.4.9\bin\..\games\minetest_next\mods\farming\init.lua