No more pillar up

[gsmanners]

I don't know how I'm just noticing this, but you can't jump and place a block underneath you anymore. Why this is, I have no idea.

[webdesigner97]

You can, but you have to rightclick at the right moment. There was a commit that prevents placing a node when its position would be inside you, so now you have to jump and press RMB when you are at the highest point.

[Krock]

This was a fix to prevent from seeing through the walls. To be able to place nodes again "in you", grant yourself "noclip".

[gsmanners]

This was a fix to prevent from seeing through the walls. To be able to place nodes again "in you", grant yourself "noclip".

Sorry, no it didn't fix that. If you're standing in just the right spot, you can still do the xray effect without any noclip.

[Casimir]

When you add movement_speed_jump = 7 to you minetest.conf it works.

[Calinou]

When you enable noclip mode, regardless of flying or not (but you need the “noclip” privilege), you can place nodes inside yourself.

[ak399g]

This workaround is not acceptable for servers. It is a 'fix' that doesn't actually solve the problem (I can still skillfully place a block on, say, the ceiling overhead, and look through it and through walls). What's more is that it breaks/severely hampers what was once a crucial construction strategy.

[Sokomine]

You're not the first one to be annoyed by this "feature". I've complained about that already, but nobody changed it yet. In order to fix your own version, edit src/game.cpp and remove some lines around line 908. Btw, the pillaring up is not the main problem (that's usually only needed for scaffolding) - not beeing able to place nodes using facedir in tight corners is far more annoying for builders.

[BlockMen]

This change was not thought to prevent "looking into walls", it fixes the strange behavior to build (non walkable) nodes into yourself.

That it is now hard to pillar up is more caused by this change https://github.com/minetest/minetest_ga ... st.conf#L4 not by the placement prevention.

Seems this (jump height) needs (for sure) be reverted.

EDIT: Yes, was caused by that.
Fixed here : https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/814c17631d5880b0031629ddba10e6703ca4b747

[Sokomine]

Hm, there does seem to be a connection between this and pillaring up. When I try to pillar up in order to reach upper areas of my house under construction, it is far more difficult to do so with this change than with it commented out/deleted in the code. Guess jumping up and falling down again is so fast that it's not particulary relevant for the server and too fast for the network anyway, so most of it seems to happen locally.

Since some time, beeing stuck in a node seems to lead to the player beeing in utter darkness - not even the inventory is shown. This is a problem when a server spawns the player underground (dirt or stone).

I'd really be glad if this change could be reverted!

[LionsDen]

Until then, just add the following line to your minetest.conf file.

Your phone or window isn't wide enough to display the code box. If it's a phone, try rotating it to landscape mode.

Code: Select all

movement_speed_jump = 7.0

It seems to have made it easier to jump and place a node under me.

[BlockMen]

Until then, just add the following line to your minetest.conf file.

Your phone or window isn't wide enough to display the code box. If it's a phone, try rotating it to landscape mode.

Code: Select all

movement_speed_jump = 7.0

It seems to have made it easier to jump and place a node under me.

original/restored value is 6.5 :P

[ak399g]

You're not the first one to be annoyed by this "feature". I've complained about that already, but nobody changed it yet. In order to fix your own version, edit src/game.cpp and remove some lines around line 908. Btw, the pillaring up is not the main problem (that's usually only needed for scaffolding) - not beeing able to place nodes using facedir in tight corners is far more annoying for builders.

So, this? :

+ Spoiler

Your phone or window isn't wide enough to display the code box. If it's a phone, try rotating it to landscape mode.

Code: Select all


bool nodePlacementPrediction(Client &client,
      const ItemDefinition &playeritem_def, v3s16 nodepos, v3s16 neighbourpos)
{
   std::string prediction = playeritem_def.node_placement_prediction;
   INodeDefManager *nodedef = client.ndef();
   ClientMap &map = client.getEnv().getClientMap();

   if(prediction != "" && !nodedef->get(map.getNode(nodepos)).rightclickable)
   {
      verbosestream<<"Node placement prediction for "
            <<playeritem_def.name<<" is "
            <<prediction<<std::endl;
      v3s16 p = neighbourpos;
      // Place inside node itself if buildable_to
      try{
         MapNode n_under = map.getNode(nodepos);
         if(nodedef->get(n_under).buildable_to)
            p = nodepos;
         else if (!nodedef->get(map.getNode(p)).buildable_to)
            return false;
      }catch(InvalidPositionException &e){}
      // Find id of predicted node
      content_t id;
      bool found = nodedef->getId(prediction, id);
      if(!found){
         errorstream<<"Node placement prediction failed for "
               <<playeritem_def.name<<" (places "
               <<prediction
               <<") - Name not known"<<std::endl;
         return false;
      }
      // Predict param2 for facedir and wallmounted nodes
      u8 param2 = 0;
      if(nodedef->get(id).param_type_2 == CPT2_WALLMOUNTED){
         v3s16 dir = nodepos - neighbourpos;
         if(abs(dir.Y) > MYMAX(abs(dir.X), abs(dir.Z))){
            param2 = dir.Y < 0 ? 1 : 0;
         } else if(abs(dir.X) > abs(dir.Z)){
            param2 = dir.X < 0 ? 3 : 2;
         } else {
            param2 = dir.Z < 0 ? 5 : 4;
         }
      }
      if(nodedef->get(id).param_type_2 == CPT2_FACEDIR){
         v3s16 dir = nodepos - floatToInt(client.getEnv().getLocalPlayer()->getPosition(), BS);
         if(abs(dir.X) > abs(dir.Z)){
            param2 = dir.X < 0 ? 3 : 1;
         } else {
            param2 = dir.Z < 0 ? 2 : 0;
         }
      }
      assert(param2 >= 0 && param2 <= 5);
      //Check attachment if node is in group attached_node
      if(((ItemGroupList) nodedef->get(id).groups)["attached_node"] != 0){
         static v3s16 wallmounted_dirs[8] = {
            v3s16(0,1,0),
            v3s16(0,-1,0),
            v3s16(1,0,0),
            v3s16(-1,0,0),
            v3s16(0,0,1),
            v3s16(0,0,-1),
         };
         v3s16 pp;
         if(nodedef->get(id).param_type_2 == CPT2_WALLMOUNTED)
            pp = p + wallmounted_dirs[param2];
         else
            pp = p + v3s16(0,-1,0);
         if(!nodedef->get(map.getNode(pp)).walkable)
            return false;
      }
      // Add node to client map
/*      MapNode n(id, 0, param2);
      try{
         LocalPlayer* player = client.getEnv().getLocalPlayer();

         // Dont place node when player would be inside new node
         // NOTE: This is to be eventually implemented by a mod as client-side Lua
         if (!nodedef->get(n).walkable ||
            (client.checkPrivilege("noclip") && g_settings->getBool("noclip")) ||
            (nodedef->get(n).walkable &&
            neighbourpos != player->getStandingNodePos() + v3s16(0,1,0) &&
            neighbourpos != player->getStandingNodePos() + v3s16(0,2,0))) {

               // This triggers the required mesh update too
               client.addNode(p, n);
               return true;
            }
      }catch(InvalidPositionException &e){
         errorstream<<"Node placement prediction failed for "
               <<playeritem_def.name<<" (places "
               <<prediction
               <<") - Position not loaded"<<std::endl;
      }/**/
   }
   return false;
}

}

Also, the note says it'll be implemented as client-side lua (which is much easier to toggle). Here's hoping that change is high on the list.

To others, noclip and jump height 'workarounds' are not acceptable for my purposes.
Additional info: I run Xubuntu 14.04 with the 0.4.10-dev ppa.

[Sokomine]

To others, noclip and jump height 'workarounds' are not acceptable for my purposes.

Neither for my purposes. Noclip doesn't make placing nodes any easier and is seldom granted. For now, editing the client is the only real way around this problem.

[Dragonop]

YOU STILL CAN!
Just need to keep press Jump+Sneak and press the Place Block button
Ween you jump while sneaking you jump 1,5 blocks!

[webdesigner97]

YOU STILL CAN!
Just need to keep press Jump+Sneak and press the Place Block button
Ween you jump while sneaking you jump 1,5 blocks!

But then facedir blocks like chests won't facedir...

[Sokomine]

But then facedir blocks like chests won't facedir...

That's right, and that's the most important reason for wanting to build where you stand. Slim panels, handrails etc. are hard to place if you are standing elsewhere. They're even hard to place when standing in the right block. Anyway, I patch my Minetest, and that problem is gone. Just requires the occasional repetition of the deletion of the lines concerned once there's a new version out and git can't solve it automaticly.

[hoodedice]

But then facedir blocks like chests won't facedir...

That's right, and that's the most important reason for wanting to build where you stand. Slim panels, handrails etc. are hard to place if you are standing elsewhere. They're even hard to place when standing in the right block. Anyway, I patch my Minetest, and that problem is gone. Just requires the occasional repetition of the deletion of the lines concerned once there's a new version out and git can't solve it automaticly.

Another Minetest fork in 3... 2.... 1......

[Sokomine]

Another Minetest fork in 3... 2.... 1......

Ah, no, it's just a couple of lines deleted. Plus that patch from sfan5 that allows to save maps from servers locally. Plus, recently, gsmapper.

I still hope sfan5 will bring his patch up in #minetest-dev and get it integrated into the main branch. It ought to be optional, but it's *very* helpful for saving maps. The only point where it doesn't help is if you connect to a server and then find out that the server has a problem...the broken map will then already have overwritten your intact local copy. I know no good way around that problem.