[Modpack] Sea [0.4.2] [sea]

[DanteLives]

Unfortunately the fix for Mintetestforfun isn't working for me. I've confirmed that the noairblocks mod within the modpack is active both before and after I encounter the bug. I've looked in the debug.txt file and don't see any errors in loading the noairblocks mod. Also, I do not have the opaque water option checked. Here's a screenshot as requested to make sure we're talking about the same thing.

[Topywo]

@DanteLives
Thanks for the screenshot!

I really want to solve this. I can't reproduce this 'bug' so I've the following questions I hope you are willing to answer:


What minetest version are you using? (Windows/Linux, 0.4.9, 0.4.10, a dev version? From what source?) (Are you perhaps using a version in which finite water is checked?)

Which sea version and which compressed file do you use?

Have you tried removing the sea-modpack and reinstalling it?

What game are you using? (minetest_game, dreambuilder, carbone?)

What mods and modpacks do you have:
1. in your mods folder?
2. enabled when this 'bug' happens?

What texture pack are you using?


Thanks for your time and patience!

[DanteLives]

Questions quoted with applicable answers follows:

"What minetest version are you using? (Windows/Linux, 0.4.9, 0.4.10, a dev version? From what source?)"

Ubuntu Linux 0.4.10. I installed Minetest from ppa:minetestdevs/stable. According to my package manager I've got the most recent version in the repository.

" (Are you perhaps using a version in which finite water is checked?)"

I can't find the finite water option in either the menus or in minetest.conf. I otherwise don't know how to find a better answer to this question.

"Which sea version and which compressed file do you use?"

sea.0.4.2.tar.gz

"Have you tried removing the sea-modpack and reinstalling it?"

Yes, I just tried that. I deleted the modpack. Installed it from the file I identified above. I created a new world and only activated the sea-modpack and unifieddyes (after I got an error message about the failed dependency). No opaque water checked.

"What game are you using?"

minetest_game
Mapgen is v6

"What mods and modpacks do you have:
1. in your mods folder?"
beds
castle
columnia
cottages
custom (my own simple mod that creates a cooking recipe for coal from wood)
hud
lantern
moreblocks
moreores
scaffolding
scuba
unifieddyes
unified_inventory
wakling_light

"2. enabled when this 'bug' happens?"

As described above I've encountered the bug with only sea and unifieddyes activated.

"What texture pack are you using?"

Cisouns, but I've replecated the bug after deactivating it.

You're welcome to ask any other questions that might help in addressing this bug. As I posted previously, I've enjoyed this modpack under a previous version of Minetest without this bug and I hope to do so again. Thanks for looking into this.

[Topywo]

@DanteLives

Thanks for answering all the questions!

I've some new questions, but first something you might have tried already:
What happens if you check opaque water (where for others unchecking/not checking is a solution)

If that long shot didn't work:
Are all, your computer, Ubuntu and your minetest 32 bit or 64 based? (I have very little knowledge of this, but understand it is best when all are the same)

Since it is a package I assume it is installed system wide.
Are you willing to try to compile/build minetest yourself as a run in place version?
I use (copy) the instructions for Linux in the readme.txt https://github.com/minetest/minetest .
(you probably need to type sudo before being able to install dependencies)
(you need to type/copy the minetest version number that appeared in your folder, stead of using the 286edd4 -example)

Before doing this, you might want to run this command in the terminal:
sudo apt-get install build-essential to be able to compile minetest.

Just to be complete:

Do you have these lines:

WATER_ALPHA = 160 (line number 6)
in
minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/default/init.lua

alpha = 0, (lines 20 and 53)
in
mods/sea/noairblocks/init.lua


P.s. I made a run in place build of the 0.4.10 stable (with 0.4.10 minetest_game stable) from the Github ressources and couldn't reproduce the airblocks you have).

[Minetestforfun]

with latest 0.4.11 build => problem :


i didn't have this problem in 0.4.10 dev... i haven't "opaque" option activated :)

[Topywo]

@Minetestforfun


Thanks for reporting!

I'll 'dive' into it to find the cause.

[Minetestforfun]

Thank you for your answer, I wait your fix :)

[Topywo]

@Minetestforfun

First notices:

- I build the leatest minetest (Linux/Lubuntu), installed Sea and Unified dyes. Everything seemed to work fine for me, also with different settings.
- I visited your server, 2 times I got on. I saw no air bubbles around the corals and seaplant around 400 from spawn.
- When I wanted to connect again to make a screenshot (and also several times before and all the times afterwards, my router resets when trying to connect with your server. This doesn't happen with other servers

Conlusions so far:
- It could be Windows, I need to install and try out a version(s)
- When the bubbles are only around newly formed sea coral and seaplants, the abm is probably stuck, maybe because of a lot of mods. You could try a server restart when in that area and see if the bubbles disappear then.
- Something server specific (resetting my router)? I really have no understanding on that terrain at all.

[Hybrid Dog]

Topywo, did you use bumpmapping with generated normalmaps?

[Topywo]

@Hybrid Dog

Thanks for the suggestion. I only tried the options one at a time, no combinations.

I just tried with Bumpmapping and Generated Normalmaps and everything seems to work fine. No airbubbles as in the screenshot.


My standard settings are the standard settings:

- Smoothlightning
- Enable Particles
- 3D Clouds
- Fancy Trees

- No Filter
- No Mipmap
- OpenGL

- Shaders

[DanteLives]

I hadn't been doing anything with Minetest for a while, but recently revisited it. Unfortunately I still have the airbubbles problem with this mod. I compiled 0.4.12-dev on Ubuntu and have tested it on a minimal world with using the default Minetest game with only this modpack and unified dyes activated. I haven't modified any settings.

[maikerumine]

I have been using this mod on my family server for a week now, we love it!!!! I love the sunken ships!!

[Sokomine]

The shipwrecks are certainly nice. I'd love it if there'd be more diffrent types, perhaps also in more damaged states (i.e. ships that did sink a long time ago). It's a pity that some nodes do not work outright under water. Some ships or boats might also still be swimming. A building contest for such structures would be nice.

Right now, the ships are spawned using a function that places them block by block. It would be great if the shipwreck part could use the mapgen mechanism of spawning schematics.

[paramat]

The biome api places decorations on the seabed, but use a schematic decoration with 'force place = true' to replace the water. mgv7 jungletrees in swamps are done this way.
Now there's also a flag for optionally placing a decoration on the liquid surface.
For a boat on the surface use 'flags = "liquid_surface, place_center_x, place_center_y, place_center_z, force_placement",' so that the schematic's centre is at the surface.

[Topywo]

Right now, the ships are spawned using a function that places them block by block. It would be great if the shipwreck part could use the mapgen mechanism of spawning schematics.

It has been long time ago, so relying on my memories of my last work on this mod. Schematics don't work well under water. I even tried building a ship under water, then copying it, to include water, but remember the results still were ugly, both with and without forced node replacement.

[Hybrid Dog]

Maybe you can generate random submarines:
— make lines which are sometimes not straight (straight means 2 of the 3 coords are 0):
— make the base line
— make new lines from the base line and put hem around the base one, the hem are simply randomly nodes wrapping it a bit
— previous step assuming the other lines are base lines also
— put 3 times hem around the lines without adding new ones
— apply symmetry, e.g. where's no node on the right side set the left one (symmetry → put the right and the left one (or (R u L)) together)
— smooth the latest hem to make it not look as the submarine has lots of resistance
— remove fully touched (by the opposite one) nodes/notnodes
— set nodes which are inside the submarine to air
— vmanip set it

[SaKeL]

But there are random submarines and ships in the sea ..

[Hybrid Dog]

But there are random submarines and ships in the sea ..

l may be not aware of the newest versions, the submarines and ships all have the same look, but they are set at random positions

[LazerRay]

The ships and subs are the same structure types that are randomly placed in the world, its how this mod works.

You will get some variation based on where they form and if multiple wrecks spawn near each other, I have seen ships on top of each other and a grouping of three subs in the same spot (with two of them touching), and sometimes you may have to dig out some dirt or sand to grab the loot chest in these structures.

[EthanD57]

This would be good to build an ocean monument with.

[greencopper]

Please put this great mod up on some Git repo.

[SaKeL]

i have added it to my git repo:
https://bitbucket.org/minetest_gamers/minetest-mod-sea

[Milan*]

Thank you, SaKeL :) <3
...is this mod currently under developement?
viewtopic.php?id=7227 <- the recommed mod
^tells not much about how and why and whatever this scuba thing.
is this under developement or have we todo anything on our own?

For example my local test world crashed just because building a boat.
21:31:13: WARNING: Undeclared global variable "i32" accessed at ...s/.minetest/mods/minetest-mod-sea/seawrecks/init.lua:89
ERROR[main]: ServerError: Lua: Double fault error from mod 'seawrecks' in callback node_on_construct(): error in error handling

Anyway, its a very interesting mod, we will add this to illuna-minetest.tk :)

[Sokomine]

It has been long time ago, so relying on my memories of my last work on this mod. Schematics don't work well under water. I even tried building a ship under water, then copying it, to include water, but remember the results still were ugly, both with and without forced node replacement.

Adding water to a ship built on land might be the easiest part. But you're right...getting it into position and loading it at the desired location would probably only work by force-replacing all existing nodes there. And then there's the problem of ships beeing rather roundish. Non-cubic nodes can help at the surface, but below water they're a pain.

And if the ship would be a mesh instead of truely built? That would have the advantage of beeing able to sink the ships at diffrent angles, to bury them partly in the ground. Smaller ships could be done that way. Larger ones could still be built out of real blocks. Some players did built amazing ships. Large enough ships could be rotated by 90 degree horizontally and lie half-burried in the sand. At least as long as they use full blocks.

[octacian]

With Minetest 0.4.13, height_min and height_max are now y_min and y_max. Is this going to be updated in the sea modpack any time soon? Would do it myself, if this was on Github, guess I can anyway, but...