Dev wants some Help with Game Ideas

[Anchakor]

I have written my ideas on my blog, please read:
http://mud.cz/?p=36
(before I talked about them on IRC)

[bcmpinc]

For what its worth, celeron55, I did not expect you to implement any of the ideas in the ideas section. Quite to the contrary, it was intended to document the ideas; find out why they're worth spending time implementing; list the good things of each idea; list the bad things; list the alternatives and in the end find out what idea helps best to solve problems that are currently in the game.

Sometimes, the most obvious solution for a problem might not be the right one. It would be a waste if you spent time implementing that solution if we could have seen beforehand that it wasn't going to work.

[kddekadenz]

Most of the suggestions I have read divides Minetest from Minecraft, but not from other games.
Most of the ideas are just stolen from them.

So I tried to find some features which you can find not or rarely in other games:
- advanced pets (which you can teach tricks)
- designing own blocks with a integrated painting software
- the possibility to write books
- you can find predefined houses at random places
- plants , e.g. grass,reed,water lilies, seaweed, flowers....
- a lot of animals

[Soulaxe]

How about a special type of block which allows all other blocks connected to be moved as if it were a single object? Similar to the Controllinator from LittleBigPlanet 2.

Also, I would love to get this project running on my linux-based Nokia N900! :D

[Nowhereman]

Make the game more challenging - more realistic! The game now pointless - mining and building is too easy!

Why the needs are missing? There is no thirst, hunger, fatigue...
If someone can starve to death, it is more essential not to loose the way!
Lets be forced to plant and hunt to have food for mining and building, forced to mine to have iron for the tools needed for farming and hunting, forced to build buildings to protect the reserves... this infernal circle would make a rythem for the game, reason for the cooperation!

Limit the carriing capacity - I've built a skyscreaper in a single course - all the ingrediens - stone and wood were in my pocket or where...

Plants and animals, some for food(hare, sheep) some for figthing with(bear, wolf)

Even more tools: bucket, rope, spear, fishng rod, traps...

some physical reality: levitating objects are spitting on law of gravity?

[hmmm]

Make the game more challenging - more realistic! The game now pointless - mining and building is too easy!

Why the needs are missing? There is no thirst, hunger, fatigue...
If someone can starve to death, it is more essential not to loose the way!
Lets be forced to plant and hunt to have food for mining and building, forced to mine to have iron for the tools needed for farming and hunting, forced to build buildings to protect the reserves... this infernal circle would make a rythem for the game, reason for the cooperation!

Limit the carriing capacity - I've built a skyscreaper in a single course - all the ingrediens - stone and wood were in my pocket or where...

Plants and animals, some for food(hare, sheep) some for figthing with(bear, wolf)

Even more tools: bucket, rope, spear, fishng rod, traps...

some physical reality: levitating objects are spitting on law of gravity?

Just not too forceful. Otherwise the game wont be any fun. If they limit the carrying capacity then they should add ways to move chests. e.g. Putting them on ships/boats or on minecarts.

[Nowhereman]

of course the difficulty must be calibrated well: with a sober mind you can survive, but the insane must perish!/and not just by falling off a skyscreaper!
It must be challenge and fun!

What is the reason of the rails-carts, axes, spades - if there is no need of use them?
for mining stone - must have pick /MESE (in hungarian means:TALE) should be slower and more durable
for cutting wood - must have axe
for digging soil -must have spade
for transportation vast amount of matherials - must have rails-carts, elevators, saddle horse(?), ship, wheelbarrow... - and in this case the player must use his neurons during digging: produse less rubbles...

[sdzen]

...some physical reality: levitating objects are spitting on law of gravity?...

some levitating objects should stay though so nut jobs like me can look down on the world and think no one may trespass on my domain

[Nowhereman]

I was thinking abaut my "ironman" modifications. Simple Kenny McCormick effect of death is not a punishment. Make an XP system, and each time of death means a hard punch of the XP by loosing a decent percerntage of it. XP can make you dig faster, increase your carriing capacity and max. health, and also makes the player able to have more options...
Another annoying ideas:
By the rails the transportation is only horisontal - for vertical elevator needed.
block type: storage area: what you put upon it, is not fixed. for example you can put stone upon it and pick up with single hand later. - in this case the "transdimesional" chest is no more needed...

[bcmpinc]

I like the way how the rules of physics in minetest differ from those in the real world. Makes it even more possible to do things that are not possible in real life.

[buffalojoe]

I think we should expand this game with the potential it has. How about adding...

-a cross bow maybe? make it like this: WOOD NULL NULL
WOOD STICK STICK
WOOD IRON NULL

-a real reason to be scared of the dark. Unlike minecraft, we have the advantage of starting from the beginning, adding the ideas of people like me, part of the community. How about:

ghosts that appear for mear seconds in front of you, then vanish with a 'I found you...' sort of voice.

scary sounds that will scare the #*%^ out of you everytime.

abandoned underground temples that long ago housed evil monks, that have disturbing paintings on the walls.

strange, unnatural shadows usually chillin' on the ceilings.

- books you could find in said underground temples that you can read.
- multi coloured birds.
- some sort of floating biome made of stone plates connected by light (hallalujuh).
- a third person view much more detailed than minecraft.
- spears!
- daggers and throwing daggers!
- magic, with four different spells, all learnable from the readable books in the temples.

ice shard
fire bolt
lightning strike
light sphere

- a ten stage fog system with different coloured fog.
- three different materials to make torches, all emitting different amounts of light.
- some 32x textures instead of 16x.
- a way to craft new minerals out of common resources. eg. 3 coal and 3 iron = whatever you might get from mixing those together. Im not a scientist.
- different types of water.

I ran out of proper idease at the magic idea so.... I hoped these gave you some inspiration, whether it shall be a mod (user) or actually implemented (developer) .

thanks!

IF ANYONE TROLLS I WILL @^#*(%& END THEM.

[dannydark]

@buffalojoe You got some nice ideas there mate, I especially like the ghost idea ^_^

[sfan5]

@buffalojoe I like your ideas.

[kddekadenz]

@buffalojoe Some really great ideas. I may use some of them for a other game, if you don't mind.

[jordan4ibanez]

celeron i love this game you've created..there are some essentials though if you really want to make it pop:

Main menu:
-make the title bigger..animate if too if you'd like..that would be nice!
-make the title 3d too!
-redo the background..its kind of bland :P

Mobs:
-could you make them 3d? and make the ork a zombie?
-id also like to see more mobs like:(bear, dogs, cats, deer, and fish) and some bad mobs like: (ghosts, zombies, sharks, octopus, evil npc's)
-i would also like to see them animated instead of just sliding around and a killing/ being hit animation too
-i would like to see special npcs that are veryyyy bad..like maybe a giant that could crush you or a savage beast that can throw daggars at you

Player:
-maybe you could make arms for the player? 3d ones not sprites please :P
-when the player walks do you think you could add some walking animation to the camera?
-and when you jump you could add a little dip (like your crouching to jump) and then when you land you could dip again!
-when you fall, instead of making the screen red..and instead of just bobbing to the left like minecraft..do you think you could make the camera shake?
-also when you hold shift and go to the edge of a block..and then place a block on the block your standing on it will allow you to go through the block you just placed..do you think you could remove this glitch?
-also when you swim you can just hold your breath forever..that doesnt feel..idk like fun..it feels static..could you like add an air bar? not a bubble bar like minecraft but maybe a blue bar that shows your oxygen level
-the player could be effected by flowing currents of water also
-when you jump it feels like your on the moon and kind of static..also when you hold space and forward you just glide over blocks..it feels like the force field around the character is a circle and it makes it kind of bland to walk around..it would be really good if you could make the field around the player a square or something like that
-when im playing on multiplayer i dont like how the other people are 2d sprites..could you make it so that their 3 dimensional people? with walking animations
-when you hit k and fly around it would be nice if you didnt go through everything
-you should be able to run!

-World generator
the terrain it generates looks cool..but id like to see more things like:
-more adversity underwater..like clay and sand and cobblestone or normal stone..i dont like it how when i go under theres just massive amounts of dirt under water
-i would like it if you could make water update faster than lava..instead of being sort of static
-i would LOVE it if you could make the world generator generate the terrain faster
-and make the day->night and night->day transition smoother instead of 4 lumps of light..maybe 50+ so it appears smooth
-you should make HUGE biomes..like desert or snow..and in each biome could have mobs specifically for those biomes..like snakes in the desert biome..and polar bears in arctic biomes!
-there should be volcanoes!

Crafting:
-make a crafting bench :D (i know thats from minecraft but it makes more sense than having a crafting bench on you at all times)
-when crafting ..instead of having to click the object and then the spot it goes in..it would be nice to see it dragged by the mouse..because crafting works right now..it is a bit of a hassle and doesnt feel very fun
-more crafting ideas such as:
{doors, chairs, tv, boats, fishing poles, flies (for fishing), guns, bows, arrows, tables, beds, fences, etc..}
-ladders should be able to be walked up by pushing forward or when your facing back to the ladder..facing backwards

-There should be a special vehicle creation system..kind of like lego blocks:
you could make the rack for the vehicles frame by doing

NULL NULL NULL
STEEL STEEL STEEL
STEEL NULL STEEL

you would need to create 2 racks..which are placed on the ground with 2 blocks in between
then create the frame like

NULL STEEL NULL
STEEL STEEL STEEL
NULL STEEL NULL

then select the frame and right click one of the racks and your vehicles frame will be placed on them

Now the axle would be simple maybe just this to craft it:

NULL NULL NULL
STEEL STEEL NULL
NULL NULL NULL

right click the edges of the frame where car wheels would go and they would attach to the frame

And for the tires:

celeron you could add in a rubber tree..which you have to craft a bucket and then right click the tree to attach the bucket to the tree

and then create a faucet somehow and attach it a block ahead..and that would trigger a timer which the bucket would be full with rubber and you can right click the bucket again to put it in your inventory ..then go to your crafting table and put the bucket in to get rubber ingots..which if you put them in the crafting bench like this:

RUBBER RUBBER RUBBER
RUBBER NULL RUBBER
RUBBER RUBBER RUBBER

it would create a tire..make 4 tires and then go to the axles..and while the tires are selected..right click the axles and BAM! the tires are on the axles

Now for the final part of the vehicle crafting,

You could have 3 body types..pickup truck..van..or station wagon
this is how to craft each:
PICKUP TRUCK:

NULL STEEL NULL
STEEL STEEL STEEL
STEEL STEEL STEEL

VAN:

STEEL STEEL NULL
STEEL STEEL STEEL
STEEL STEEL STEEL

STATION WAGON:

NULL STEEL STEEL
STEEL STEEL STEEL
STEEL STEEL STEEL

and when you put the body into your inventory and right click the frame of the car the body would appear on the car ..and it would be drivable!

also when its created ..it should have physics..like when your taking the racks out from underneath..when you take one out that end falls and the wheels absorb some of the shock!

finally about the vehicles..they should have trunks that are like large chests in minecraft..which you can put your mese, steel, or whatever you have in the back and drive it to a new location

Blocks:
-there should be many more block types, like iron ore, diamond, platinum, uranium, magnesium, gold, petroleum blocks, etc..
-when blocks like sand or gravel and clay are dug out from underneath they should fall
-blocks should look nice..have an artist make a texture pack..and we could all vote on the best looking one..and the best looking one becomes the default texture pack for minetest!
-the block breaking animation should also be overhauled..the texture looks a bit ugly
-cactus blocks should be harmful..take away 1-2 hearts every few seconds
-sand blocks should leave foot prints

Liquids:
-water should update alot faster, it updates slower than lava
-water and lava should also have an animation (maybe a gif)
-lava should set things on fire..and turn cobblestone into stone
-lava shouldnt kill you almost instantly..but it should hurt you 1-4 stars every second
-more water underground
-GIANT lava pits underground and above ground
-deep underground (400+) there should be radioactive water..water becomes radioactive water when it passes a uranium block..only the water downstream becomes radioactive and hazardous...everything upstream is uneffected UNLESS the uranium is in a body of water..then the body of water and all streams become radioactive
-there should be tar.. you could make it like:
STONE STONE STONE
STONE WATER STONE
STONE BUCKET STONE

and when you place it down..it flows in the speed between lava and water..and after a few seconds it turns into stone..also you will get trapped if a you fall in and the block solidifies..because the tar is like cobweb from minecraft..and you will have to mine the block to get out

i have more ideas but i want to see what you guys think of this first

[Fallen_Phillip]

I have an idea! :D
What if we add more medieval MMORPG elements into the game (quests, npcs, monsters/mobs, equips), we could have a main server where we can make our own "continents". Also, we could add a Capture the flag mode into the game as well. Another thought I had was programmable NPCs that could harvest/mine renewable blocks for you. Lastly, I was thinking maybe adding more inventory space perhaps?
^^

I actually +1 these ideas. :)

I'm pretty happy with the game the way it is. I just wish there were more dungeons and "natural" cave systems. Also, has anyone discovered what causes the FPS issue? I still have it. >.>

[dannydark]

Quite a lot of nice ideas there jordan4ibanez, some I'm not too sure about though but on the whole pretty nice list.

-when the player walks do you think you could add some walking animation to the camera? < This is already in the latest version

I especially like these ideas:
-and when you jump you could add a little dip (like your crouching to jump) and then when you land you could dip again!
-when you fall, instead of making the screen red..and instead of just bobbing to the left like minecraft..do you think you could make the camera shake?
-you should be able to run!

[jordan4ibanez]

thank you!

[Staffs]

Quite a lot of nice ideas there jordan4ibanez, some I'm not too sure about though but on the whole pretty nice list.

-when the player walks do you think you could add some walking animation to the camera? < This is already in the latest version

I especially like these ideas:
-and when you jump you could add a little dip (like your crouching to jump) and then when you land you could dip again!
-when you fall, instead of making the screen red..and instead of just bobbing to the left like minecraft..do you think you could make the camera shake?
-you should be able to run!

About walking animation are you talking bout official bitbucket source ?

[dannydark]

Not checked bitbucket, I use github so thats where I've been grabbing the latest source from https://github.com/celeron55/minetest. Also the latest released version has the view bobbing in to (http://celeron.55.lt/minetest/download.php).

[Nowhereman]

is there any game without zombies nowadays?
block: sulphur, saltpeter

make item: gunpowder
sulphur+coal+saltpeter

make item: bomb
null steel null
steel gunpowder steel
null steel null

make item: musket
steel steel steel
steel steel steel
null null wood

[Menche]

You can run in minetest. Just enable fast_move by pressing "j", then hold down "e" while walking normally. But be careful, this makes you go so fast that you take fall damage on even a really shallow hill.

[jordan4ibanez]

You can run in minetest. Just enable fast_move by pressing "j", then hold down "e" while walking normally. But be careful, this makes you go so fast that you take fall damage on even a really shallow hill.

no i mean real running! lol not like that ..like at a normal running speed..and having the guy bob more when he runs..and the bobbing could be a little bit stronger when you walk so its noticeable :P also there should be a hand for when your not selecting anything

[jordan4ibanez]

also!! when you go into free fly mode..it would be nice if you didnt go through everything lol

[TerraRoot]

haven't played for long, but i like it, never played minecraft, like my oss.

Simple idea:
1: drop down list for previously visited servers, don't have to refer to wiki all the time then.

Not so simple:
2: simple XP system like in Enemy Territory, not so complicated like an RPG, just faster digging/crafting/more health/more storage. It should promote a little attachment to the character for the player, a sort of reason to keep playing on that server and thus (hopefully) less griefing since people won't want their chars deleted. But its important that its not too complicated, the game is about making stuff not grinding.

Hard
3:Hinges, i know a programming pain, but imagine the stuff you could build! simple doors drawbridges, pretty much everything in engineering could be done by hinges, could do a flying airship with boarding ramps,not sure how hard it would be to move blocks in one whole ship/vehicle bit i can dream! just not program :(

[Sonic-NKT]

Hi,
i just downloaded mintest (mac) a few days ago and i love it.
Never played minecraft..
I allready spent (wasted ;) ) so much time on my world creating house and other stuff.

i also have a few ideas for the future..

RPG - System:
This was requested allready.. im sure, but as i love rpgs it would love to see this in minetest.
How about a crafting skill that increases if you do and gain knowledg.
Like at the beginning you can only creat the wood tools, with stone or metall.
Also those first tools wont last long because the are poorly crafted but as your skill improve those tools last longer and you gain the knowledge to combine different components. (like stone or metal tools)
The same system could be for fighting experience, like in any other RPGs.

for the future a magic system (combining ingriedients) or long range weapons. Ammunition could be done by crafting too (arrows= 1 stick + 1 metal)

Edit Books/Papers, Bookshelf:
I guess this is allready planned. But just in case its not... :)
It would be great to edit Books like Signs.
I think about custom Title and the abbility to write more stuff in it, so you could create a Guest Book where all people could write their name in it.
Bookshelfs could turn into containers (only for Books and Papers)


Regrowing Plants/Trees:
Another thing i would love to see is regrowing plants and trees.
maybe if you let the stump (or roots) a kept in place trees and plants grow back.
Another idea would be that if all wood of a tree is collected that after a day or two the "flying" leaves automaticly disappear.

User created Content:
My last idea is user created content without dev experience.
I know you can allready easily create texture packs, which is nice, but it would be very cool to create also new materials/monsters/maybe even items for your server/world.
The information for those new content could be saved in config files that containt the basic data:

float/fly = Yes/no
texture/model = ....
transparency = yes/no
physical coniditon = liquid / massive / and so on...
melt = yes/no
does damage to player = yes/no
how much = ...
collectable = yes/no
how easy to destroy/which tool = ...
does attack player = yes/no
speed = ...


and so on.


Anyway, great work!!!
Thanks to anyone who is involved in this project!

[saschakb]

You can already plant seeds of plants.

[Minnie]

With minecraft becoming a rpg there is a opening for a minecraft type of game that concentrates on crafting to survive, a concept which many feel minecraft should have stayed with instead of heading into the realm of fantasy.