[Mod] Mesecons (= redstone) [GitHub] [minetest-mod-mesecons]

[cornernote]

this clock code breaks in the latest version:

A is a button, which you leave on while you want the clock to run
C connects back to B, and is also the clock output

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if(A&!B)after(2,"on(C)");if(A&B)after(2,"off(C)");

Edit, I am now using a loop to a mesecon torch as an inverter (which triggers an update on the microcontroller), and this code:

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if(A&!B)off(C);if(A&B)on(C);

[Jeija]

The first code also works fine for me, but right, there was a problem with it before this commit:
https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/commit/500e95c3319536b293bd4545e54edf5a0ad39d1e

Would you mind if I post your code on µCScript-Database (or will you do it yourself?)?

[breinzter11]

Jeija can you tell me how to working with microcontroller
:(

[Jeija]

Jeija can you tell me how to working with microcontroller
:(

Why can't you just check for information on it on the website?
Look, it's that easy:
Go to mesecons.tk --> click Items --> click the microcontroller --> download the tutorial!
What can I do to make that more obvious?

Direct download link for Tutorial:
https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/blob/master/mesecons_microcontroller/MeseconMicro.pdf?raw=true

[Fenris]

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ERROR[ServerThread]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "mesecons_extrawires:crossing" at (-108,17,12)
 (block (-7,1,0))


Getting alot of these with the insulated crossings at random(ish) spots. I've tried isolating by building smaller circuits that mimic the problem areas but cant seem to make the bug reproduce consistently with these test circuits.
One test had 3 identical circuits setup in a row, with a crossing going over all 3. Turning on the wire crossing over would only bug 1 out of the 3 crossings (all 3 crossings had east/west no power, test current going north/south).
So inconsistent since all 3 crossings and identical circuits were in the exact same state, but the one would always bug, server just keeps printing error messages trying to replace the node until I shut it down.
Love the crossings idea though makes for much cleaner wiring.

[GloopMaster]

can the first post have a link to the github page itself?

[Jeija]

@GloopMaster: done

[GloopMaster]

thanks, i hate to have to copy shortcut and chop the zipball part off xD

[CTMN]

The mesecon is like a super conductor, means it has no resistance and can conduct at infinite distances.

But I propose following:

There should be a cable that can be made out of steel and that conducts only at a specific distance.

[breinzter11]

@GloopMaster: done

Can U Make Redstone repeater

[Jordach]

@GloopMaster: done

Can U Make Redstone repeater

It's called the mesecon delayer, next time, check the mod before pointing out useless things.

[VanessaE]

More to the point, Mesecons doesn't need repeaters - they're superconductors ;-) and don't lose signal strength over distance like redstone does. We have delayers as mentioned above which, like Redstone repeaters, can introduce a delay into a signal, but they aren't usually needed unless you have multiple signals arriving at their destination out of sync.

[sfan5]

There are Repeaters, they are called Delayers

[CTMN]

I think it shouldnt be so easy to produce electricity and the power plant and some other things should be removed.

[Temperest]

The way I think of it, Mesecons are signals, not power lines. Personally, making power plants burn out after a while, or require some sort of fuel to operate would make Mesecons a lot more difficult to use. For example, we would need a VCC power rail and a ground rail to operate microcontrollers, gates, and long distance Mesecons.

Essentially, what I'm saying is that what it adds to the gameplay is not as fun as what it takes away, namely the ability to build circuits easily. Just my opinion, though, if you have any counterpoints I'd be glad to hear them.

[Koczkodazjasz]

Well that mod is really awesome but there is lots of bugs in logic i think... Even when there is only one wire between two uC it can hang on a true state and never work again... it should... I built 4-bit counter with reset on 10 (mod 10 binary counter). It has 3 uC, 2 are counters (mod 2), they are connected, 1 is for reset on bit 1 and 3 (1010), it has just an AND operation. What's the point: when i have 1010, it resets first counter uC, second as well, but - between 2nd counter reset input (A) and reseter-uC output (D) the wire remains "1" when output B is "0 and the code in the uC says clear: sbi(B, A&C); sbi(D, B); so please do anything you can to test/fix it, because that mod is great and Minecraft can go to hell with giant redstone circuits...
Thank you, I hope you understand anything I said here :D

[Jeija]

Well that mod is really awesome but there is lots of bugs in logic i think... Even when there is only one wire between two uC it can hang on a true state and never work again... it should... I built 4-bit counter with reset on 10 (mod 10 binary counter). It has 3 uC, 2 are counters (mod 2), they are connected, 1 is for reset on bit 1 and 3 (1010), it has just an AND operation. What's the point: when i have 1010, it resets first counter uC, second as well, but - between 2nd counter reset input (A) and reseter-uC output (D) the wire remains "1" when output B is "0 and the code in the uC says clear: sbi(B, A&C); sbi(D, B); so please do anything you can to test/fix it, because that mod is great and Minecraft can go to hell with giant redstone circuits...
Thank you, I hope you understand anything I said here :D

Could you please upload the world file and post a link? It will be much easier to understand then,

[Temperest]

Does it work if you omit the semicolons? If I recall correctly they are not to be put there.

[Koczkodazjasz]

Here it is:

http://speedy.sh/dZNR9/minetest-mesecons-dragon-world.zip

[cornernote]

i downloaded your map and tried to get your clock working, however instead i recommend you try this one:

4bit-clock.wem

The file is a WorldEdit + Meta file. You can load it like this (after installing WorldEdit and putting the file into /worlds/yourworldname/schems/4bit-clock.wem)

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//pos1
//metaload 4bit-clock

Let me know if that helps or not.

[CTMN]

I agree with you that the mesecons are made to build circuits easily. But I dont think that its hard to build a turbine or a solar panel.

Maybe it could be splitted up into two versions: one to make circuits and one which simulates the electricity.

And PLS make something like a removestone that appears again when theres no signal.

[Koczkodazjasz]

i downloaded your map and tried to get your clock working

Did you enable it? The switch is for on/off the counter ;)

[cornernote]

yep, i turned it on, but it didnt seem to "tick". i had to keep turning it on and off to get it to move

[Koczkodazjasz]

yep, i turned it on, but it didnt seem to "tick". i had to keep turning it on and off to get it to move

That's weird, it should tick after every second when port A is true state... It works for me and not for you? :O

[cornernote]

maybe my mesecons is old, or yours is. probably mine. i'll check it later on

whatchya building there anyway? looks like you are planning something interesting

[Koczkodazjasz]

whatchya building there anyway? looks like you are planning something interesting

Actually experimenting with mesecons and trying to find bugs but yeah i want to build a clock and make it as compressed as possible, plus some light-switch things with solars and so on for paths, but mostly I like to do circuits especially when i can program them ;)

[cornernote]

cool, you should get the latest worldedit, then you can //metasave your creations. i like playing with other people's gadgets. i put a few of mine up here:
https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-worlds/tree/master/mesecons_circuits/schems

i'm making a world with them all loaded, but havent had a chance to get it finished yet

[Temperest]

I agree with you that the mesecons are made to build circuits easily. But I dont think that its hard to build a turbine or a solar panel.

Maybe it could be splitted up into two versions: one to make circuits and one which simulates the electricity.

And PLS make something like a removestone that appears again when theres no signal.

It is not hard to build a turbine or solar panel, yes, but if you're trying to build a bigger machine with hundreds of components, it gets extremely unwieldy to have to power every single microcontroller.

I believe the technic mod for MineTest simulates electricity. Perhaps that is what you are looking for? Because of the more realistic system of electronics, it becomes a lot more difficult to build complex and compact structures. That's why I find that it detracts from gameplay.

Also I agree with you on the removestone thing, I use pistons for that where possible but it isn't always. Making the removestone behave this way by default would be acceptable as well since now we have RSI latches.

[Koczkodazjasz]

Another bug I found: parser can't solve such things like:
sbi(C, (!B|A|D)&(B|A|!D));

or equivalent version:
if((!B|A|D)&(B|A|!D))on(C)>off(C);

both don't work, it says "code not valid!" but it should be.
Well I need expressions like that to my project :D
Greetz

[Temperest]

Seems like parenthesized expressions are not supported. Would be nice to have though.